foliage2000
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Buying used: Auction? Trim Levels?

Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:14 am

Hi Everyone,

I'm interested in purchasing a used Leaf. This forum has been a terrific resource for understanding the ins and outs of the car, and helping people like me nail down the car that might work for us. Thanks to all that have contributed! I'm going to wait until the 2016 Leaf is announced before making a final purchase as I think the prices on older models will be best after the 2016 is announced, but right now I'm targeting a 2013 or newer, in the SV trim or better. I've looked a few used Leafs and even rented one for a few days to try it out, so I'm sold on the car and have a manageable commute, so I know the car will work for me. Given all that, I have a few questions I was hoping people could help with:

1. Does anyone know the process/pitfalls/advantages for buying a Leaf at auction? I know that most of the vehicles at the lots come from auction, so I'm curious about the prospect of cutting out the middle man and buying one directly at auction. I realize this may end up not being a wise choice, since one may have to spend alot of time at auctions before the right vehicle with the right specs comes available, a dealer may have better ability to fix any issues with the car, etc. Also, I haven't heard of others on this forum doing the same thing, so what am I missing?

2. Often the listings by the dealers will be completely wrong (an S will be listed as an SV, SV with QC will just be listed as a base SV, etc.) and I want to be sure I know what's being offered. When looking at a Leaf in person, what's the best way to verify the trim level and options included on a used Leaf? I haven't been able to find any distinguishing marks on the vehicle that verify the trim level (e.g. there's no S, SV or SL badge on the car), so how is one to know for sure?

Thanks for any thoughts!

cwerdna
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Re: Buying used: Auction? Trim Levels?

Sat Aug 15, 2015 1:03 pm

Re: #2, yep. There are no S, SV nor SL badges on the car. Best way is to become VERY familiar w/the '13 trim levels, packages and appearance.

See Specs chart at http://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/usa/ ... -press-kit.

The '13 S, SV and SL all have different wheels. S has cheap painted plastic hub caps on steel wheels. SV has the same wheels that all '11 and '12 SV and SL have: http://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/usa/ ... kit/photos. SL larger wheels that look totally different . The red one in the 1st pic (and many/most there) at http://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/usa/ ... kit/photos has SL wheels.

S has no navigation system and a cheaper radio w/knobs and HVAC w/knobs. All S look like http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads ... terior.jpg (from http://insideevs.com/real-world-test-20 ... eaf-range/). They also have dull plastics in place of shiny piano black plastics on SV and SL.

All SV and SL have nav, a touch screen and no knobs for HVAC and radio.

http://sfbayleafs.org/news/2013/01/2013 ... announced/ points to http://sfbayleafs.org/wp-content/media/ ... 24x766.jpg, for the colors.

S is black cloth only. SL is black leather only. SV is cloth only but can come in black or light grey interior.

S has only 1 package: charge package which adds CHAdeMO inlet (large inlet on left side) + 6 KW on-board charger.

SV can have no packages or one or both of these: premium (Bose stereo + Around View Monitor (4 cameras)) and/or quick charge (CHAdeMO inlet on left) + LED headlights. The latter also adds auto on/off headlights and fog lights. My former '13 SV had both and had those fog lights and auto on/off lights. My current '13 SV w/premium doesn't have that.

On SV w/premium, you can easily see the rear camera (1 of 4 total) on the rear hatch handle. There's also a camera under the Nissan logo on the charging door in front.

Ones w/premium (w/Bose stereo) have a Bose subwoofer in the back: http://sfbayleafs.org/commentary/2013/0 ... s-changed/ (search for Bose). Those w/o Bose stereo have a little extra space. See http://sfbayleafs.org/news/2013/01/2013 ... fproduct8/ (from http://sfbayleafs.org/news/2013/01/2013 ... ighlights/).

Below is a pic of my '13 SV with NO CHAdeMO inlet. Notice the coiled wire on the right? I believe that's for the front camera under the Nissan hamburger logo. I believe ones w/o premium don't have that coiled wire.
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http://sfbayleafs.org/commentary/2013/0 ... s-changed/ under "Charging port hatch with remote keyfob release and light, option to lock the plug in place" shows what one WITH CHAdeMO inlet looks like.
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'13 Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)

Please don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

latitude500
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Re: Buying used: Auction? Trim Levels?

Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:14 pm

This sounds like a great idea, how does a person that isn't atached to a dealer get into the car auction to find out about the cars in your area?
Michael
Central Texas
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20,591miles
1 bar down 11 to go.

adriaanm
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Re: Buying used: Auction? Trim Levels?

Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:23 pm

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adriaanm
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Re: Buying used: Auction? Trim Levels?

Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:24 pm

This is exactly what carlypso.com does. They have a car dealer license (required to bid in those auctions) but they are nothing like a dealer otherwise. Fixed markup. Convenient website. Delivery.

I am in the same boat as OP, and briefly interacted with nice salespeople at Carlypso. They say they only sell 12-bar leafs but that can still hide 16% of capacity loss IIRC. Check carfax (available on the Carlypso page) to get a sense of the climate where the car lived. I wish they'd let me go over and run Leafspy before pulling the trigger :-)

I'm also holding off until MY16 is announced to decide (hopefully September 7?).

latitude500
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Re: Buying used: Auction? Trim Levels?

Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:46 pm

So carlypso.com is out in CA, and you can't even test drive or use LeafSpy on the car before you purchase it. So it's site on seen. I don't know if I would ever be able to purchase a car like that. Because your taking the word of a salesman on the quality of the car. Plus with out testing the batterys with SpyLeaf what are you really getting.

Plus you have to pay for shipping from CA, that could add $800-1,1000 to the cost of the car.
Michael
Central Texas
Purchased 9.1.2015
White, 2013 LEAF SV
20,591miles
1 bar down 11 to go.

adriaanm
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Re: Buying used: Auction? Trim Levels?

Sat Aug 15, 2015 4:23 pm

If I end up buying used from carlypso, I'll make sure they put their "12 bar battery capacity" promise in writing so that it's covered by their 30-day money back warranty. They seem to be a young start up, so I'd prefer to deal with them over a used car dealer...

NYLEAF
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Re: Buying used: Auction? Trim Levels?

Sat Aug 15, 2015 6:57 pm

Another good trick if you're trying to find one with QC is to look at the "under the hood" photo. They almost never post a photo of the charging ports, but they usually have a photo under the hood. Two skinny orange cables to the left of the main thick orange cable coming off the J1772 port indicates a QC port. You can sometimes see these two cables through the hole that the hood latch goes into when the hood is shut.

Another thing to look out for is a blue screen stating "NO SD CARD" on the nav screen (SV/SL only). This means the car's center console won't work -- no radio, no navigation, no charging timers, etc. The dealer may have the card separate from the vehicle for safe keeping, or they may not have the card at all. You'll have to spend a few hundred $$ getting a new card programmed for your car. Buying one off eBay won't work.
Former Ride: 2012 Leaf SL, Ocean Blue, Leased 1/27/2012, Returned 4/27/2015, 37.7k miles & 12/12 bars
Final LeafSpy readings: AHr 60.73, SOH 92%, Hx 90.90%, 250 Gids on full charge

Current Ride: 2012 Nissan Rogue SL AWD, Black

foliage2000
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Re: Buying used: Auction? Trim Levels?

Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:23 pm

Thanks to cwerdna and others that responded - this is terrific info. I think I can confidently go look at a car and determine the trim levels now.

It occurs to me that I might have better luck doing some research on how to buy a car at auction online, as I'm sure this has been researched to great extents online.

And fwiw, I had already looked into Carlypso, but they don't operate up in our neck of the woods (PNW).

cwerdna
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Re: Buying used: Auction? Trim Levels?

Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:50 am

Ok... some more info. '13 SL (from the Specs chart I pointed to earlier) I believe already comes with LED headlights and Quick Charge (CHAdeMO) inlet. So, the only package possible on it is premium (Bose stereo + Around View Monitor).

Any car w/Around View Monitor (part of premium package on SV and SL) will have the camera button below the LCD (which turns on Around View Monitor and change views) and a camera visible under the hamburger logo and on rear hatch.

Here are some more visual aids.
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'19 Bolt Premier
'13 Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)

Please don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

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