Stanton
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mwalsh said:
Thanks for finding that: I'm getting close! Looks like we took delivery at about the same time, but he's got > 10k miles on me. Looks like the heat here (in TX) is going to hold out for at least another week.
The Battery Replacement Thread
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Thanks for finding that: I'm getting close! Looks like we took delivery at about the same time, but he's got > 10k miles on me. Looks like the heat here (in TX) is going to hold out for at least another week.
1932highboy
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My car has been in the service dept. since 8:00 am and now they say I won't get it til 5:00 pm Monday. Does it take two full days to swap the traction battery?
TomT
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It can, yes... Mine took three...
1932highboy said:
TomT said:
Who was it where their car was gone for weeks? That always seemed massively excessive, but it can happen.
The book calls for about 3 hours to swap a pack, IIRC, plus time to charge to 100% and to verify that all is well otherwise. I have a feeling they just didn't want to work on it today, or maybe their (one and only) LEAF specialist didn't show up for work.
kolmstead
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Most of the delays I've read about have been computer related. Car won't talk to new battery, etc. When I took my Leaf in last January for battery usage report and P3227, it took two or three attempts before the firmware upgrade was successful. Walking by the service bay, I'd hear "I've tried everything and it just isn't working..."
-Karl
-Karl
TomT
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Mine was collectively out of service for about a month. I meant it took three days after they received the battery and started work to the time it was ready
mwalsh said:
I'm at 42.21 AHr, with 9 bars still remaining.
We are now almost to October so my hot days are running out. Any advice on how to push it over the edge?
I always charge to 100% and park in the sun whenever possible. I just went to my first quick charger this morning, but it didn't appear to have any noticeable effect (42.22 to 42.21 after it was done). I'm to the point of not being able to make it to work in the winter without a new battery so I'm very hopeful the bar will drop sometime.
We are now almost to October so my hot days are running out. Any advice on how to push it over the edge?
I always charge to 100% and park in the sun whenever possible. I just went to my first quick charger this morning, but it didn't appear to have any noticeable effect (42.22 to 42.21 after it was done). I'm to the point of not being able to make it to work in the winter without a new battery so I'm very hopeful the bar will drop sometime.
fooljoe
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Wow you're pretty far down there - I'm at 43.2 and expecting (hoping?) the bar to drop any day now. Nobody knows exactly what causes the bar to drop, but the best guesses seem to be that after passing the threshold some amount of time or charge cycles or miles or something must pass before the bar drops. Would you happen to know when you crossed 44 Ah?devoneh said:
If that theory is true, then there's really nothing you can do to hasten the bar loss - it's probably just a matter of time. Clearly your battery has degraded enough - others have lost the bar at up to about 43.5 Ah. I'd just continue to use the car as much as possible, and make sure you post the results when the bar does drop! Can you provide more details in the meantime (location, miles, manufacture date from door jamb, and purchase date?)
91040
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My experience buying a replacement traction battery for a 2011SL follows. Replacing now since I would soon not be able to make a one way commute of 60 miles, down hill (1400' loss), driving 50 mph on the freeway, without charging enroute.
Called 4 Nissan dealerships in the LA area:
1) One did not return my call;
2) Two took relevant information. Said they would call back after checking. Both called back, one quoting $10k, the other $5500 (Glendale Nissan).
3) One wanted to see the car to verify the proper battery number before giving a quote.
After determining from this forum and corporate reps that the 30kWh battery would not be compatible, I ordered a battery from Glendale Nissan. The Service Rep verified my car information, wanted to keep the car and give me a loaner. Told him I preferred to keep driving it until they get the battery. The next day, I was asked to sign this "Disclosure Form & Trade-In Agreement."
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The Agreement could be worded more clearly in Section II., regarding the Warranty of a replacement battery for the replacement battery...if you get my drift
Battery and adapter kit were at the Dealer eight days after signing the form. They said the adapter assembly took longer to arrive than the battery.
Dropped my car off in the evening. Three business days in the shop. Gave me a loaner. Picked my car up on the fourth day. Said that getting the new bottom cover delayed things as well. Total cost was $5640 (including tax).
Original HV Battery @ 104.2k miles:
Last 100% Charge- 155Gids (~11.5kWh to Turtle)
AHr 36.13
Hx 33.72
SOH 55
New HV Battery:
AHr 66.14
Hx 99.99
SOH 100
BTW: I won't be commenting or replying whether it makes sense to replace the battery or not. Other relevant information is in my signature below. The car has a Brusa charger, so up to 7kW L2 charging is available.
Called 4 Nissan dealerships in the LA area:
1) One did not return my call;
2) Two took relevant information. Said they would call back after checking. Both called back, one quoting $10k, the other $5500 (Glendale Nissan).
3) One wanted to see the car to verify the proper battery number before giving a quote.
After determining from this forum and corporate reps that the 30kWh battery would not be compatible, I ordered a battery from Glendale Nissan. The Service Rep verified my car information, wanted to keep the car and give me a loaner. Told him I preferred to keep driving it until they get the battery. The next day, I was asked to sign this "Disclosure Form & Trade-In Agreement."
http://imageshack.com/i/idxVoANNj
http://imageshack.com/i/f0kXWGD9j
http://imageshack.com/i/f0qXdVrNj
http://imageshack.com/i/idGZjWc1j
The Agreement could be worded more clearly in Section II., regarding the Warranty of a replacement battery for the replacement battery...if you get my drift
Battery and adapter kit were at the Dealer eight days after signing the form. They said the adapter assembly took longer to arrive than the battery.
Dropped my car off in the evening. Three business days in the shop. Gave me a loaner. Picked my car up on the fourth day. Said that getting the new bottom cover delayed things as well. Total cost was $5640 (including tax).
Original HV Battery @ 104.2k miles:
Last 100% Charge- 155Gids (~11.5kWh to Turtle)
AHr 36.13
Hx 33.72
SOH 55
New HV Battery:
AHr 66.14
Hx 99.99
SOH 100
BTW: I won't be commenting or replying whether it makes sense to replace the battery or not. Other relevant information is in my signature below. The car has a Brusa charger, so up to 7kW L2 charging is available.
kolmstead
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Wow, you used up that battery! At 36 Ahr, how many capacity bars did it indicate? Not hard to choose dealers, with one quote at $10K and one at half that...
-Karl
-Karl
Valdemar
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$5640 is pretty good! Good to know and thanks for sharing. I'll likely follow same route, only need to make about 40 one way so I probably have a couple more years on the original pack.
Umm, yes, the warranty disclosure is hard to interpret. What is the 12 months/12k miles part is about?
Umm, yes, the warranty disclosure is hard to interpret. What is the 12 months/12k miles part is about?
TimLee
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Interesting post.91040 said:
Another replacement battery purchaser.
With the new battery you might catch TayloSFGuy for US 2011 LEAF with most miles
Sorry you won't be commenting on the decision for spending $5,640 to keep a vehicle with over 104,000 miles on it and a market value <$8,000 in service.
91040
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As the Dealer interpreted it, the battery you purchase has the full factory warranty. However, if the battery you purchase is replaced under warranty, either the remainder of the factory warranty or a 12 month/ 12k mile warranty is in effect, whichever is longer. No mention regarding the capacity of a possible warranty replacement. (Wish I earned half as much as Nissan's lawyers do writing this stuff.)
My signature has the data on capacity bars and numbers reported by LeafSpy.
My signature has the data on capacity bars and numbers reported by LeafSpy.
TimLee
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I think that is similar to how they handle warranty on a second 12V battery replaced after a no cost replacement under the 3 year 36,000 mile warranty.91040 said:
TimLee said:
It makes perfect sense to me:
I think we can safely assume that he will commence a Small Claims action against Nissan for $5,640, plus filing fees. Given Nissan's representations when he bought the vehicle, Nissan will likely pay the claim rather than risk the judgement and precedent it will set. Heck, just hiring a lawyer to defend it will likely cost more than a settlement, on a confidential basis, with a non-disclosure clause, which will sure sound good to Nissan.
Now does it make sense to you? Of course, I could be wrong, it won't be the first time, but that's my guess to make sense of it.
Valdemar
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Canuck said:
You obviously are unfamiliar with the class action settlement, but maybe still right if 91040 has opted out of it.
Valdemar said:
Duh! What a waste of space your post is. Obviously it only applies if he opted out. Boy are your rude too. As if, as a Leaf owner, I don't know about the class action. It doesn't apply to everyone -- obviously you know absolutely nothing about it at all!
1932highboy
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Got my Leaf back today with its new battery. Nice to have 12 bars back again. Before: Ahr: 42.97 Hx:44.38
After: Ahr:66.14 Hx:100
After: Ahr:66.14 Hx:100
It seems that if you get another 5 years / 100k miles out of the car with the replacement battery, it's a pretty good deal.91040 said:
But more importantly - how are you enjoying your LEAF now that it has a new battery pack? Will you be going back to 80% charging?
And wow - 36 Ah? Is that the new record for lowest capacity? So I take it you have to charge on either the way to or from work to make it? 60 miles is pretty good even if it is downhill 1400 ft.
91040
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It is 60 miles each way. Would barely make it to work, for which I have to be on time. Had no energy reserve for a detour or to make up for slow traffic. Got a 100% charge while there but had to stop on the return leg for another 2 or 3kWh to make it home.
There have been cars with 6 capacity bars lost so others must have had lower Ahr readings.
Just got the car back today so I am still adjusting. It is somewhat surreal having this much energy again. Very freeing. I can drive faster and not be constantly thinking about where to charge. Will be charging to 80% whenever it should be enough for the day's travels.
There have been cars with 6 capacity bars lost so others must have had lower Ahr readings.
Just got the car back today so I am still adjusting. It is somewhat surreal having this much energy again. Very freeing. I can drive faster and not be constantly thinking about where to charge. Will be charging to 80% whenever it should be enough for the day's travels.
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