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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:56 am

More details on the hybrid version from the official Korean intro, Still no details on the EV drivetrain.

But it already sounds like the Ioniq's gadgetry may surpass all other mass-market BEVs, when available for sale this Fall:
...Inside, the Ioniq is also designed to appeal to modern car buyers, as it features a number of comfort, convenience, safety and connectivity features, including Apple CarPlay and Android Auto; there’s also a 7-inch TFT information cluster, which is designed to bring a high-tech appearance to the cockpit, displaying a range of digital gauges in high resolution, including a number of hybrid-specific displays...

Hyundai is also focusing on including a number of future-focused active and passive safety features, including Autonomous Emergency Brake, Lane Keeping Assist System, Lane Departure Warning System, and Blind Spot Detection with Rear Cross Traffic Alert to provide guidance to avoid any accident...
http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/car ... d-unveiled
...The Korean firm claims the outside has been primarily designed to offer "class-leading aerodynamic performance", thanks to the slippery shape and details such as moving flaps in the front grille that direct airflow around the car...
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/hyundai/93 ... d-in-korea
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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Thu Feb 18, 2016 10:08 am

155 miles (Euro) probably means a ~30-35 kWh (available) pack, so it doesn't sound like Hyundai is just recycling the Soul (~27.5 kWh available, IIRC) drivetrain.

The review is of the hybrid version.
...The plug-in hybrid and EV versions of the Ioniq get progressively bigger battery packs that are squeezed under the boot floor and, in the EV, also replace the fuel tank. There’s no news on the size of these battery packs, but Hyundai is estimating an EV-only range of 32 miles for the PHEV and 155 miles for the EV...
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/hyu ... hev-review
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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Thu Feb 18, 2016 2:31 pm

edatoakrun wrote:155 miles (Euro) probably means a ~30-35 kWh (available) pack, so it doesn't sound like Hyundai is just recycling the Soul (~27.5 kWh available, IIRC) drivetrain.

The review is of the hybrid version.
...The plug-in hybrid and EV versions of the Ioniq get progressively bigger battery packs that are squeezed under the boot floor and, in the EV, also replace the fuel tank. There’s no news on the size of these battery packs, but Hyundai is estimating an EV-only range of 32 miles for the PHEV and 155 miles for the EV...
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/hyu ... hev-review

The 2016 UK leaf gets 155 miles on their cycle and 107 on the EPA. The soul gets 132 euro miles vs 97 EPA.

It could very well be the same pack as the soul just put into different spaces. It should be easy to get 155 euro in an aero package. I would also suspect the EPA to be about 115+ with that same size battery.
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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:52 pm

minispeed wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:155 miles (Euro) probably means a ~30-35 kWh (available) pack, so it doesn't sound like Hyundai is just recycling the Soul (~27.5 kWh available, IIRC) drivetrain.

The review is of the hybrid version.
...The plug-in hybrid and EV versions of the Ioniq get progressively bigger battery packs that are squeezed under the boot floor and, in the EV, also replace the fuel tank. There’s no news on the size of these battery packs, but Hyundai is estimating an EV-only range of 32 miles for the PHEV and 155 miles for the EV...
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/hyu ... hev-review

The 2016 UK leaf gets 155 miles on their cycle and 107 on the EPA. The soul gets 132 euro miles vs 97 EPA.

It could very well be the same pack as the soul just put into different spaces. It should be easy to get 155 euro in an aero package...
It's a mystery to me why the Soul has so much shorter range than the LEAF on the NEDC standard, but I expect some of the reduction in efficiency is due to energy consumption by the Soul's ATM, over the long period of time the low-speed test cycle takes.

Looks to me that the NEDC cycle is so optimistic in comparison to the EPA, mostly because of its heavy bias to very low-speed driving, in which aero resistance should play a relatively minor role.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Europ ... ving_Cycle

I think any improvement in range of the Ioniq EV over the Soul EV on the NEDC could be slight, if it actually carries the Soul drivetrain.

The Aero benefits might be significantly outweighed (literally) if the Ioniq is heavier that the (smaller?) Soul.

On the other hand, I hope Hyundai succeeds in making the Ioniq EV significantly lighter than the Soul EV, which could bring range benefits in the NEDC (with its frequent acceleration/deceleration) standard.

So, I think that an Ioniq equipped with the Soul EV drivetrainjust might get 155 miles on the NEDC standard, and interest me, if it turns out to be a low-weight, efficient, affordable, and fun to drive vehicle for mountain/rural BEV drivers like myself, who already actually get ~NEDC range with their LEAFs, due to low speed driving and efficient recovery of ascent energy during descents.
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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Fri Feb 19, 2016 8:10 pm

More details on the Korean intro.

Very close in size to the LEAF, except 100 mm lower.

Anyone have a guess as to what driving cycle results in ~105 miles range?
SEOUL, Feb. 18 (Yonhap) -- South Korea's top automaker Hyundai Motor Co. said Thursday that it will launch the Ioniq Electric, a pure electric vehicle model based on its own production platform, in June.

...the Ioniq Electric can travel more than 169 kilometers (~105 miles) on a single battery charge, the longest among electric cars being sold in Korea...

The Ioniq Electric is 4,470 mm long, 1,820 mm wide and 1,450 mm high, with its wheelbase measuring 2,700 mm...

Hyundai Motor aims to sell 4,000 units of the Ioniq Electric this year...
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/20 ... l?19f88700
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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:21 pm

edatoakrun wrote: Anyone have a guess as to what driving cycle results in ~105 miles range?
Not what I was hoping for - definitely doesn't sound like 150 mile EPA ... atleast it will be bigger than Bolt ?
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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:46 am

evnow wrote:
edatoakrun wrote: Anyone have a guess as to what driving cycle results in ~105 miles range?
Not what I was hoping for - definitely doesn't sound like 150 mile EPA ... atleast it will be bigger than Bolt ?
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I really think you could call all three members of the LEAF class, validating Nissan's ~2010 introduction of the mass-market BEV.

You can think of the Bolt as a shorter, heavier version of LEAF with slightly worse aero resistance, and the Ionic as a lower lighter (?) one, almost certainly with less aero resistance. Each also have different loads on the batteries, required by the differing battery pack thermal management systems, different drivetrain and regen efficiencies etc.

So, each will have AC/DC m/kWh efficiency variations from the LEAF, depending on what type of driving you do.

I am growing increasingly impatient for a higher efficiency alternative to a BEV this large.

Only a small minority of drivers need a five door five seat BEV every day.

In over 90% of my trips, I waste a huge amount of kWh, and have my range between recharges unnecessarily reduced, simply because I am hauling around a lot of empty space in my LEAF.
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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Sat Feb 20, 2016 5:06 pm

ievs article:
Hyundai IONIQ Electric Has A 28 kWh Battery, 105 Miles Real Range
http://insideevs.com/hyundai-ioniq-has- ... eal-range/
Not so long ago we heard from Europe that the Hyundai IONIQ could have up to 155 miles/250 km of range, not so long ago we heard from Hyundai that this next generation of all-electric vehicle would be special.

As it turns out, the Hyundai Electric (new name) is neither of those things…and we are more than a bit disappointed. . . .
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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Sun Feb 21, 2016 8:22 am

GRA wrote:ievs article:
Hyundai IONIQ Electric Has A 28 kWh Battery, 105 Miles Real Range
http://insideevs.com/hyundai-ioniq-has- ... eal-range/. . . .
Kia still specs 27 kWh for the Soul, when the actual capacity is ~30.5 kWh, so I wouldn't be surprised if 28 kWh turns out not to be correct.

The hybrid version is reported below to have a curb weight of only 3,042 lbs, only ~32 lbs heavier than the smaller Prius.

Without all the dead-weight required by the ICE, and with a (presumably) high density LG pack, the Ioniq BEV might not weigh much more than that.

The light weight, combined with it's aero advantages, might give m/kWh efficiency results for the Ioniq BEV comparable to the current BEV champion, the much-smaller BMW i-3.
SEOUL -- Hyundai Motor Co. aims to beat the Toyota Prius at its own game with the new Hyundai Ioniq hybrid, the Korean brand's first dedicated hybrid.

The Ioniq not only targets Prius-like fuel economy, it edges the world's best-selling hybrid on power, performance and size. Its styling is also arguably less polarizing...
http://www.autonews.com/article/2016022 ... t-in-sales
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Re: Hyundai Ioniq BEV, hybrid, and PHEV.

Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:11 pm

Not so long ago we heard from Europe that the Hyundai IONIQ could have up to 155 miles/250 km of range, not so long ago we heard from Hyundai that this next generation of all-electric vehicle would be special.

As it turns out, the Hyundai Electric (new name) is neither of those things…and we are more than a bit disappointed. . . .
Indeed.

I was thinking if Ioniq had 150 miles of range, I'd prefer that over Bolt, for eg. Not to be. It is just Soul EV in a newer body.

For 2016/17 it is a Fail. Too Little Too Late.

Afterall they are trying to answer Prius after nearly 2 decades - so shouldn't be surprising. OTOH, they should be able to get good deals from LG, so it is surprising.

Anyone have any insights on the relationship among various chaebols of Korea ?
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