SageBrush
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:30 pm

Phatcat73 wrote: On the bright side I did get my Model 3 invite today... 3-6 week delivery
Are you a Tesla car owner already ? If not you may be one of the very first non-owners to receive an invite.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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Phatcat73
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:44 pm

Ordered on line a couple minutes after they opened up the books. Agree, I think I am in one of the earlier online, non owner batches. Will hold off a little as we're not in a rush and expect details on AWD in the next month or 2 prior to deciding. Still should get the full EV tax credit if I take delivery by end of Q3.
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Oils4AsphaultOnly
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:34 am

SageBrush wrote:
Phatcat73 wrote: On the bright side I did get my Model 3 invite today... 3-6 week delivery
Are you a Tesla car owner already ? If not you may be one of the very first non-owners to receive an invite.
I got my invite 3 weeks ago. Also non-owner, afternoon line-waiter. Don't have VIN yet. :(
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:57 am

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
SageBrush wrote:
Phatcat73 wrote: On the bright side I did get my Model 3 invite today... 3-6 week delivery
Are you a Tesla car owner already ? If not you may be one of the very first non-owners to receive an invite.
I got my invite 3 weeks ago. Also non-owner, afternoon line-waiter. Don't have VIN yet. :(
Congrats to the two of you !

I reserved online before the start of reveal and have not received an invite yet. Since I am waiting for AWD the invite wait does not affect me.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:24 pm

I got my invitation to configure yesterday. Non owner signed up online as soon as it opened. I am waiting for non black interior. Also not sure if it is worth it to get the LR battery at 9k.
Mfg 11/15 Del 12/16 TX 2016 SL 30kWh,
Date Bar MI GID Ahr SOH
05/17 12 05175 324 70.75 89
08/17 11 09245 282 61.68 77
10/17 10 12000 260 57.22 71
01/18 09 15329 244 53.72 68
06/20 08 21716 230 50.41 63
06/27 11 22047 296 66.01 83 Aftr Updt

SageBrush
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:38 pm

jbuntz wrote:I got my invitation to configure yesterday. Non owner signed up online as soon as it opened. I am waiting for non black interior. Also not sure if it is worth it to get the LR battery at 9k.
I've thought about the $9k battery upgrade option also and decided to skip it since our driving habits never extend past 300 miles in a day, and I don't mind the short Supercharger stops the smaller battery will require.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:30 pm

lorenfb wrote: Since you have been helpful in providing the forum data about your 30kWh Leaf and since you indicated your frequent use of QCs,
it would be helpful to supplement the 40kWh data Dave provided on his 2018 Leaf:
If those with a 30kWh Leaf who QC could complement the helpful data provided here; viewtopic.php?f=27&t=25519&start=90#p523924
by Dave's data gathering on his 2018 40kWh Leaf, i.e. internal battery resistance data, by performing the same type of test (about 10-15
seconds at the start of a QC), that would result in having battery data on all the Leaf batteries, 24/30/40 kWhs. If that test results in the
battery resistance of the 30 kWh battery being about the same as both the 24 & 40 kWh batteries ( ~ 50 - 60 mohms), then it could be
implied that the additional prolonged 30 kWh battery heat over time (like the 40 kWh) results from a higher battery thermal resistance
(lower heat conductance) to ambient, e.g. resulting from a higher density battery volume. This would help explain the higher battery
degradation some 30kWh Leaf owners have experienced over the 24 kWh battery, and what some 40 kWh Leaf owners will probably
have to confront over time, which in hindsight necessitated TMS more so as the battery density increased over the 24 kWh battery.
http://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f ... 90#p523924
Thanks for your help.
Posted here: http://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f ... 87#p524787

Hope that helps!
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:52 am

SageBrush wrote:I've thought about the $9k battery upgrade option also and decided to skip it since our driving habits never extend past 300 miles in a day, and I don't mind the short Supercharger stops the smaller battery will require.
The LR will charge faster at SuperChargers. In my S, I figure this adds 5-10 minutes every time we stop at a SC on a long trip. My wife talked me out of getting a 90D, and I wish she hadn't (especially since she's more sensitive about the time charging takes on a long trip).
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:56 am

5-10 saved minutes each month is not worth $9000. Not even close.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:48 am

arnis wrote:5-10 saved minutes each month is not worth $9000. Not even close.
He said 5-10 minutes per charging stop on a trip.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

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