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I was thinking about buying the 2018 leaf as my car got totaled recently. But I read that the BMS On the 2019 model will be much better.

My commute is 50 miles round trip and I won't be using the leaf as my primary car. I live in SF Bay area. I really need the carpool sticker and if I wait till Jan 2019, my sticker will be valid till end of 2022. If I buy right now, my sticker will be valid till end of 2021.

Any other reasons to wait for a 2019?
 
Rumor says the 2019 e-Plus won't arrive until March of 2019 and availability in the CA could trail that by quite a bit. Only the 60kWh e-Plus will have a TMS and active cooling - again, rumor.
 
Yup & with that being the new Nissan Halo EV the dealers will be far less likely to discount them & may even be doing that "dealer adjusted mark-up" crap


You also have until Sunday to some extant to cash in on the "extra" $3K rebate PG&E is offering on the 2018 Leaf:

http://www.pgecurrents.com/2018/04/24/pge-customers-can-save-3000-on-new-nissan-leaf-electric-vehicle/
 
I just purchased my 2018 4 weeks ago taking adv of that extra 3k incentives Nissan is pushing until 9/30, I don't need more than 150 mile normally, so this fit the bill for me. Keep in mind that pricing will probably be higher with the 60Kwh battery option.

The 60Kwh Battery with improved BMS wasn't in the following announcement, will be available at a "later date" so the initial batches of 2019s probably won't see that... https://electrek.co/2018/09/14/nissan-leaf-2019-us-pricing-longer-range-version/
 
if i wait until first few months of 2019 to purchase a 2018 unit, will the tax credit have run out by then?
 
thanks for the advice everyone.. I think I will buy the 2018 version. This weekend being the last weekend of the month, I will start getting quotes from the dealers.
 
jdcbomb said:
if i wait until first few months of 2019 to purchase a 2018 unit, will the tax credit have run out by then?

Which tax credit? The federal one is good until the manufacturer sells 200K vehicles & then that rebate sunsets in stages over 12 months.

The California tax rebate is very well funded & unlikely to run out anytime soon.
https://cleanvehiclerebate.org/eng/rebate-funding-status

The PG&E rebate expires this coming Sunday IF they are your electricity supplier, otherwise you don't qualify.

And don't forget to look into this as well!

https://cleanvehiclegrants.org/apply/
 
If your main motivation to drive EV is the couple years a carpool sticker is offered then lease a compliance car:

http://ev-vin.blogspot.com/2016/07/current-lease-offers-for-selected-evs.html
 
HerdingElectrons said:
jdcbomb said:
if i wait until first few months of 2019 to purchase a 2018 unit, will the tax credit have run out by then?

Which tax credit? The federal one is good until the manufacturer sells 200K vehicles & then that rebate sunsets in stages over 12 months.

The California tax rebate is very well funded & unlikely to run out anytime soon.
https://cleanvehiclerebate.org/eng/rebate-funding-status

The PG&E rebate expires this coming Sunday IF they are your electricity supplier, otherwise you don't qualify.

And don't forget to look into this as well!

https://cleanvehiclegrants.org/apply/
I don't think jdcbomb lives in CA so PG&E, CVRP and https://cleanvehiclegrants.org/apply/ wouldn't apply. In the past, CVRP has run out of funding numerous times and put people on the waiting list in the queue/holding pattern.

For Federal tax credit on EVs/PHEVs, per https://insideevs.com/top-6-automakers-200000-federal-tax-credit-limit/, Nissan is awhile away from hitting the 200K mark whereas Tesla has definitely hit it. Tesla even put up https://www.tesla.com/support/incentives for their vehicles.

jdcbomb: Can you update your location info via your user name in the upper right > User Control Panel > Profile tab? That way, we don't need to ask in future posts/threads or do sleuthing to deduce it.
 
teslaEmployee said:
But I read that the BMS On the 2019 model will be much better.
We don't know if it'll be any better. All we know its it'll be a longer range, more powerful version, probably w/225+ miles of EPA range rating, so probably ~60 kWh.

http://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/usa/presskits/us-2018-nissan-leaf-press-kit says "Nissan will also offer a new higher power, longer range version at a higher price for the 2019 model year." http://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/usa/presskits/us-2019-nissan-leaf-press-kit says "Another version of the 2019 LEAF with a higher range will be introduced at a later date."

See http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=532101#p532101 and http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=505320#p505320.

The rest regarding LG Chem batteries, thermal management, higher power OBC, etc. is all still rumor, unless someone can point me to something official. I suspect some of it is wishful thinking and higher power OBC (if true at all) might not come to the US market.
 
cwerdna said:
The rest regarding LG Chem batteries, thermal management, higher power OBC, etc. is all still rumor, unless someone can point me to something official. I suspect some of it is wishful thinking and higher power OBC (if true at all) might not come to the US market.
Nissan's plans were delayed and they are now staring into the headlights of the Tesla Model 3 SR.

I don't know what they will do in 2019, but it will be different than the future talk bandied about in 2016/17
 
SageBrush said:
cwerdna said:
The rest regarding LG Chem batteries, thermal management, higher power OBC, etc. is all still rumor, unless someone can point me to something official. I suspect some of it is wishful thinking and higher power OBC (if true at all) might not come to the US market.
Nissan's plans were delayed and they are now staring into the headlights of the Tesla Model 3 SR.

I don't know what they will do in 2019...
Maybe so. If Tesla were on time w/the SR version, it would've likely even beat the 151 mile-EPA range '18 Leaf in the US market.

https://web.archive.org/web/20170731003139/https://www.tesla.com/support/model-3-reservations-faq said
Which future options will be made available to order, and when?
We are planning to introduce the following options in the coming months:

Fall 2017: White interior option, standard configuration (non-Premium Upgrades)
November 2017: Standard Battery, $35,000 car
Spring 2018: Dual Motor All-Wheel Drive

Additional options will become available over time.
Well, it's near end of Sept 2018 now and still no standard config nor standard battery is available on the 3.

It's going to get interesting... by the time 3 standard range ships (if it ever does), the Tesla tax credit (https://www.tesla.com/support/incentives) will be 1/2 or less while Nissan's will still be the full credit for awhile longer.
 
HerdingElectrons said:
Yup & with that being the new Nissan Halo EV the dealers will be far less likely to discount them & may even be doing that "dealer adjusted mark-up" crap


You also have until Sunday to some extant to cash in on the "extra" $3K rebate PG&E is offering on the 2018 Leaf:

http://www.pgecurrents.com/2018/04/24/pge-customers-can-save-3000-on-new-nissan-leaf-electric-vehicle/

extended to January 2, 2019, maybe will be extended a third time
 
I'm wondering if NIssan will continue to increase their incentives as there are quite a few 2018 MY just sitting on lots here in Raleigh, NC. It seems the local utility rebates (mine is Duke Energy) are continuing through the end of the year also.
 
cwerdna said:
The rest regarding LG Chem batteries, thermal management, higher power OBC, etc. is all still rumor, unless someone can point me to something official. I suspect some of it is wishful thinking and higher power OBC (if true at all) might not come to the US market.
I would wait for LG battery and thermal management.... or buy a vehicle that does have these items (or a Tesla).
 
jdcbomb said:
I'm wondering if NIssan will continue to increase their incentives as there are quite a few 2018 MY just sitting on lots here in Raleigh, NC. It seems the local utility rebates (mine is Duke Energy) are continuing through the end of the year also.

Same here in Colorado, there are tons of 2018 Leafs sitting on the lots even when you can get an S with QC for $24k + tax (before rebate, $16k or so after rebate). That price is VERY tempting but I wonder if it's going to go even lower.
 
Things are always going to get better as the new models come out, the BMS concern was something that went through during my decision making.. but at the end, the incentives for the 2018 LEAF was good enough for me to jump on it. Yes, they might increase the incentive, but more likely they won't because 2018-2019 is not a complete model refresh like the 2017 to 2018 where we were seeing 10k incentives at the end of 2017. Get the car! It's great!

I'm a software guy and Tesla's are just completely changing the way things are done...

Do i feel left out when Tesla pushes a software update? Yes
Do I feel left out when my SiriusXM based app takes 45+ seconds to update? Yes
The car I purchased in 2018, is going to be 100% the same as the car I will have until I sell it .. No new features. :-(

But I've made my peace with it HA! In the 1.5 months that I've owned it and it's pure fun to drive.

Everyone's need is going to be different. .. I was at an EV meet a few weeks ago for Electric Drive Week, and some of the discussions were very interesting. If this EV is your only car, then I think you would want to get the longest range to help with range anxiety and fast charging.., but with more information being passed around, we start to have better dialogue. Longer range batteries is more cost to the car, more cells = more money., when the car is up on it's life, more li-ion waste.. So maybe the household can operate with long range/ shorter range cars. I am seeing more and more friends on social media going completely EV in their household where 1 car is a Model 3 and the other is a shorter range. This makes perfect sense, both cars do not NEED to be long range as long as it can satisfy the commute the household has.

I think the EV market will be very interesting in the upcoming years, I hope not all MFG go to 200+ range, because it gives the consumer options to meet their needs. My commute is 15 miles round trip, 150 miles is fine for me, i can go over 1 week without charging, but I don't like to see the battery meter at 10%.. just incase...
 
whowutwutt said:
I am seeing more and more friends on social media going completely EV in their household where 1 car is a Model 3 and the other is a shorter range. This makes perfect sense, both cars do not NEED to be long range as long as it can satisfy the commute the household has.
Yep; add me to your list:

Tesla Model 3 LR
2013 24 kWh LEAF

Works great for us, although it did take some time for my wife to realize that it is a fine combination. She wanted to keep the PHEV "just in case."
 
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