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DarthPuppy said:
I'm now seeing Clarity's on the road in So. Cal. on a more regular basis. :D

I don't think I've seen the FCEV version yet, but kind of hard to tell them apart unless close enough to read the labeling or see the driver's side to see which fuel ports are there. (FCEV has a single rear door, EV has a single front door, and PHEV has one of each.)
I've been seeing them a fair bit, but like you unless I'm on the left side I've got to be close enough to read the badging on the front fenders to tell one from another, as I haven't figured out any other distinguishing marks. I've seen all three varieties, and I'm pretty sure there are local examples of the FCEV and BEV, with the FCEV more common. Not sure whether the PHEV I saw was just passing through or not, but I expect to see a lot more of them. There are a ton of Chevy Volt 2s around here (Gen 1s also), and the Clarity PHEV is the Volt's direct competition.
 
Good point about the article being solely about the PHEV despite the Clarity having 3 choices. But in fairness, IIRC, the PHEV is trouncing the EV and FCV versions in number sold, so the others I think are more fringe versions.

I've now seen at least 2 FCV versions on the road (well, one on the road and one at the only fueling station in my town.) I've seen a handful of EVs and a bunch of PHEVs. When I first got mine, a guy at the company next door that shares same parking lot asked me about it. Now there is another one in the parking lot. :)
 
DarthPuppy said:
Good point about the article being solely about the PHEV despite the Clarity having 3 choices. But in fairness, IIRC, the PHEV is trouncing the EV and FCV versions in number sold, so the others I think are more fringe versions.

I've now seen at least 2 FCV versions on the road (well, one on the road and one at the only fueling station in my town.) I've seen a handful of EVs and a bunch of PHEVs. When I first got mine, a guy at the company next door that shares same parking lot asked me about it. Now there is another one in the parking lot. :)
It's weird, but I'm still seeing the FCEV more often than the others despite the PHEV's huge sales advantage. I've been seeing Mirais more frequently as of late, as well.
 
At work there are now 5 people with the Clarity PHEV. We have dozens of EVSEs and they all seem to work well for just about any car (*), except the Clarity PHEV. One of the Claritys just doesn't charge at all unless the owner lets the car sit (cool?) for 2-3 hours. Two others have the symptoms described in this thread, where the check engine light goes on when charging.
https://insideevsforum.com/community/index.php?threads/plug-in-charging-system-problem.835/page-8#post-26114


(*) almost; it seems the 2018 LEAFs fail to charge at the oldest Eaton pedestal EVSEs we have. Eaton no longer supports the units.
 
Per IEVS estimate of the breakdown, out of 1,689 Claritys of all types sold/leased in August in the U.S. there were 1,495 Clarity PHEVs and 120 FCEVs (no numbers were ever released for July for the FCEV), leaving 74 BEVs.
 
Per IEVS, 2,028 Clarity PHEVs, 122 BEVs, and an estimated 50 FCEVs sold/leased in September. I still can't figure out why anyone would opt for the BEV, but I do see them around occasionally, although the PHEV now makes up the majority of sightings and I'm still seeing more FCEVs than BEVs.
 
GRA said:
I still can't figure out why anyone would opt for the BEV, but I do see them around occasionally

Cheap lease with a generous annual mileage allowance for a real sized car, why not if commute patterns allow?
 
Valdemar said:
GRA said:
I still can't figure out why anyone would opt for the BEV, but I do see them around occasionally

Cheap lease with a generous annual mileage allowance for a real sized car, why not if commute patterns allow?
I guess. Far more people lease now than used to, while buying is my mindset, so perhaps I should amend my comment to why anyone would opt to buy a Clarity BEV, given its high price, limited range and competition? The Clarity, like most cars people buy, is oversized for the typical American commute or indeed the typical american car trip (avg. 1.7 occupants/trip; avg. 1.1 occ./commute trips alone), so you'd have to need a car to haul four or five people plus gear in the trunk on a regular basis locally to justify it, and that's not the usage I see when I spot one.

All that pax + cargo space is needed primarily for road trips, which the BEV is ill-suited for, or regular trips with lots of kids and gear, and the typical American household size continues to shrink. A shorter hatch with convertible pax/cargo space, like the Bolt, makes far more sense for local use, and also has the range for weekend trips. If most people bought commute cars for how they're normally used, most of us would be driving something like a Smart, and once AV car-sharing with MaaS arrives, I expect 1 or 2 pax AVs to be the norm with larger vehicles used only when needed for those special trips, instead of buying cars sized by what John Krafcik (head of Waymo) calls the 'occasional use imperative'.
 
I suspect all BEV Clarity cars in California are leases. 20,000 miles/year for $200/mo on cheap fuel is almost a no brainer if the limited range works but it is less of an issue now due to improved charging infrastructure, especially in the Bay Area. I'd probably bite but I'm set to drive my Leaf into ground first.
 
According to Consumer Reports:


A Tale of Two Personalities
The plug-in hybrid Honda Clarity runs on electricity and gas, which results in two distinct driving experiences.

THE HONDA CLARITY works well in electric-only mode, but its loud gas engine and quirky gear selector and dashboard controls should give shoppers pause.

In electric-power mode, the car runs quietly and smoothly, providing quick acceleration, even when climbing hills. But if the driver punches the accelerator or when the vehicle switches over to gas-only because the battery is depleted, the four-cylinder engine awakens with a ruckus that’s strikingly loud.

In our testing, the car went 48 miles on electric power, almost matching the category leading Chevrolet Volt. The Clarity got 39 mpg overall on gas in CR tests. It has a mediocre combined range of a little more than 300 miles. (The car takes 2.5 hours on 240 volts and 12 hours on 120 volts to recharge.)

This four-door sedan has a comfortable ride, but handling is awkward because the body leans in corners and steering response is sluggish. It has more interior space than its rivals, but the front seat isn’t very supportive because of a short cushion and limited adjustability.

Controls are confusing, including the fussy push-button gear selector. The Clarity comes standard with forward-collision warning, automatic emergency braking, and lane-keeping assist. It uses a distracting video feed along the passenger side instead of a more effective blind-spot warning system that covers both sides.

HYBRID / PLUG IN HYBRID CARS: Honda Clarity
OVERALL SCORE 72

ROAD TEST SCORE 72

HIGHS

Acts as an EV for short distances, ride comfort, interior room

LOWS

Clumsy handling, front-seat comfort, confusing controls, noisy engine

POWERTRAIN

212-hp, 1.5-liter four-cylinder hybrid engine; continuously variable transmission; front-wheel drive

FUEL

48-mile electric range
39 mpg on regular fuel
PRICE AS TESTED $34,290
 
At 10 months of ownership, I have to 2nd IEVS assessment of best car I've ever owned. I had no idea about the noise cancellation. I will have to give Sport mode a try with the ACC as I've been irritated by how slow it recovers from a momentary slow up. And so far, the infotainment system has been the only buggy aspect I've encountered. The author has a little better improvement in gas consumption than me as I have eliminated about 75% of my gas consumption where he has shaved 80%. And yes, when the engine fully revs, it is distinctly loud - especially if you've gotten used to quiet EV driving. I haven't had any issues needing service, so maybe the author's experience of 3-4 service visits is due to him likely getting one of the first off the production line.

Consumer Reports seems a bit off on a few points:
- "...quirky gear selector and dashboard controls should give shoppers pause.... Controls are confusing, including the fussy push-button gear selector. " Really? They can't figure out how a push-button gear selector works? I don't find it quirky or fussy. Once you drive it more than 1 week, it is perfectly fine.
- "...but handling is awkward because the body leans in corners and steering response is sluggish." I haven't noticed any of these aspects. But I also do my driving on real roadways and don't do aggressive driving on test tracks to find the car's performance limits and measure that against others. If your driving is normal'ish, I doubt this would be an issue.

Both write-ups and I agree that more conventional blind spot assist with lights in the side view mirrors with buzzer and tactile feedback would be good. That does take some getting used to. I also would appreciate rear cross-traffic safety. One aspect where the side camera system shined for me was when I was preparing to make a right turn and a bicyclist was coming up on my right side - the camera helped me spot him. I'm not sure the blind spot systems would have detected that and provided timely warning.

The quality, size, comfort and efficiency for the price point is awesome. As with the IEVS author, I would also like a Tesla. But at $14k+/- savings, the decision for me is easy.
 
As is often the case, I think both reviews have validity within their respective spheres. For someone who mainly needs a car for daily A to B commuting or freeway droning, the Clarity is well-suited, and both satisfied owners (a self-selected group) and CR point out its suitability for those tasks. As DarthPuppy writes, those who are more likely to push the car (which includes most car enthusiast mag readers and some % of CR readers) are more attuned to driving dynamics and intuitive controls, and those issues are of higher priority. I read both types of mags, but definitely place a higher value on driving dynamics and controls than the A to B general public. Which is why I've never even considered a car like the Prius, which carries car as reliable, energy-efficient transportation appliance to the ultimate. Thus, while I appreciate the Clarity PHEV for what it is (a Prius Prime that provides more room for pax and somewhat better dynamics and NVH), I have no interest in driving or buying one.
 
Per IEVS, Dec. and 2018 U.S. Clarity sales:
December 2018 Sales
Clarity BEV: 86
Clarity FCV: 1
Clarity PHEV: 2,770

2018 Sales
Clarity BEV: 948
Clarity FCV: 624
Clarity PHEV: 18,602
Read somewhere the 2018 FCEV has been out of production for a while, and they're waiting for the 2019s to get here.

Also IEVS:
EV Comparison: 3 Flavors Of Honda Clarity: PHEV, BEV & Fuel Cell
https://insideevs.com/ev-comparison-honda-clarity-phev/
 
Starting next week, it looks like I will have workplace charging available. With that, I think I will be able to get my gas reduction vs. my prior ICE from 75% to 90%+.

Had this been an option when I was shopping, this change would have made the 2018 Leaf very viable for my commute. I'd probably have gotten the 2018 Leaf and not realized the Clarity was such a nice option as I only noticed and looked at the Clarity after concluding the 2018 Leaf range wasn't quite good enough. Charging infrastructure is important for BEV adoption.
 
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