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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:55 pm

cwerdna wrote:This made the local TV news recently.

CHP: Drunk driver slept while Tesla appeared to drive Hwy 101 on autopilot
https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Dr ... 435295.php

CHP: Tesla driver suspected of DUI may have had autopilot on
https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/11/30/ ... opilot-on/
Regardless of whether or not the driver would've chosen to drive if autopilot was NOT available, nor whether or not autopilot's nags were defeatable, wasn't it a step forward that no one died or were injured by someone's bad decision, unlike what might've happened if this driver drove any other vehicle? Hopefully one of these days, getting home drunk will no longer be a criminal offense with dire consequences.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:35 am

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:Hopefully one of these days, getting home drunk will no longer be a criminal offense with dire consequences.
Taxi has always worked. Yellow cab, Uber, etc.

Once cars get as smart as horses, then the drunk can get into the passenger seat and the car will be smart enough to drive home.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:05 am

WetEV wrote:
Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:Hopefully one of these days, getting home drunk will no longer be a criminal offense with dire consequences.
Taxi has always worked. Yellow cab, Uber, etc.

Once cars get as smart as horses, then the drunk can get into the passenger seat and the car will be smart enough to drive home.
well a horse will not keep you from getting the DUI. https://duiwise.com/dui-faq/can-you-get ... n-a-horse/

And even if the car were level 4 capable, operating under the influence should still be an offense since the driver is still responsible for taking control at some point. Level 5 where the operator has no responsibility for taking control it can be argued that you could get in under the influence. Certainly in the case of the horse, it is the operators responsibility for the horses safety when taking it out on public streets, and so DUI is appropriate.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:16 am

palmermd wrote:well a horse will not keep you from getting the DUI.
Depends on which state, of course.
palmermd wrote:And even if the car were level 4 capable, operating under the influence should still be an offense since the driver is still responsible for taking control at some point. Level 5 where the operator has no responsibility for taking control it can be argued that you could get in under the influence. Certainly in the case of the horse, it is the operators responsibility for the horses safety when taking it out on public streets, and so DUI is appropriate.
Is a horse level 5 capable? Perhaps not.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:31 pm

X-posted from the Tesla Corporate Outlook topic, about another fatal Florida crash that happened last week:
The Friday crash sounds identical to Joshua Brown's:
“Vehicle 1 (V-1) was a tractor/trailer combination vehicle traveling eastbound on the driveway access to 14095 SR 7 (Pero Farms) preparing to turn left onto SR 7. Vehicle 2 (V-2) was traveling southbound on SR 7 within the outside lane approaching Pero Farms. After V-1 came to a brief stop at a stop sign, V-1 entered the southbound lanes of SR 7 pulling into the path of V-2. V-2 struck the driver side of V-1’s trailer resulting in the roof being sheared off as it passed underneath the trailer. V-2 continued southbound and came to a final rest approx 3/10th of a mile south of the collision. The driver of V-2 was pronounced deceased on scene.”
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There are aerial photos of the truck and car from a distance here: https://cdllife.com/2019/roof-sheared-o ... emi-truck/

We'll see if this was an A/P-caused crash; it seems likely. BTW, it's been about a year since the Huang fatal A/P crash into a gore barrier, so we should be getting the NTSB's final report on that pretty soon.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:15 am

I wonder if much will be learned from this event on April 19th: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-ho ... 57448.html.

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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:29 am

I have FSD with firmware 2019.8.4 currently and I find it to be surprisingly good at self-driving and making "intelligent" decisions. I would never entirely depend on it and always monitor it rigorously, but it is interesting how much it has improved in just the last few software updates... And it saved me from a deer a few nights ago when it detected it coming from the side beyond my sight line, and braked the car heavily so the deer passed safely in front of me... That alone was worth the price of admission.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:40 am

TomT wrote: I would never entirely depend on it and always monitor it rigorously
An intelligent and wise view, but given some of the Tesla accidents that isn't always the case for some drivers.
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:53 pm

TomT wrote:And it saved me from a deer a few nights ago when it detected it coming from the side beyond my sight line, and braked the car heavily so the deer passed safely in front of me... That alone was worth the price of admission.
Wow! I have lost friends to deer and many others have been seriously injured by them. That really IS worth the price of admission!
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Re: Tesla's autopilot, on the road

Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:01 pm

RegGuheert wrote:
TomT wrote:And it saved me from a deer a few nights ago when it detected it coming from the side beyond my sight line, and braked the car heavily so the deer passed safely in front of me... That alone was worth the price of admission.
Wow! I have lost friends to deer and many others have been seriously injured by them. That really IS worth the price of admission!
The question being was that due to sensors/systems that are only available with the FSB suite while the car's on A/P, or would AEB and/or other sensors have worked as well with Tom driving? Prevention of such accidents shouldn't require that the car drive itself.
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