EVDRIVER said:Sell post upgrades. They can remotely engage cash flow as needed
True story.DaveinOlyWA said:
evnow said:
If you have never had seat warmers, you won't miss them.golfcart said:
I was born and have lived all my life in the Bay Area, and appreciate the heated seats in my Forester. Indeed, that's one of the reasons I opted for the middle (XS) rather than the lowest (X) trim when I bought it. On cool or cold (for California) days I use them first thing when I get into the car until the engine heats up and I can use the heater, or else just the seats on days when there's no need for cabin heat. They are very nice not just when I'm up in the mountains, but also locally. Having the ability to remotely heat the cabin is nice and would lessen the need for seat heaters, but at a considerable increase in energy use. So, they may be less of a benefit for a BEV, but could still be a nice to have. After all, if remotely heating the cabin removes any need for seat heaters, why would you want them in ANY trim?SageBrush said:
Yes, although I'd prefer non-power seats. I can see the benefit if you have multiple people driving the car regularly. As I don't, there's no value to me for the extra money, and they're far more likely to break and need expensive repairs.
evnow said:
By contrast, my heated seat is on the low setting from late fall to early spring here in the mountains. I don't usually bother with HVAC, save to defog the windshield as needed, since I am dressed for winter anyway and the heated seat is enough for comfort. When I do use the heater I generally set it to 61ºF so that it isn't uncomfortably warm.evnow said:
I agree they're not needed for cloth (which is what I've had in my last two cars), but a nice to have. Of course, I wear shorts year round, so YMMV.Valdemar said:
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leaf16 said:
$35k pre-destination/document fees.leaf16 said:
That is definitely not the case for some owners, and I would include myself in that group if I were an owner. Here's one such post on TMC:lpickup said:
I also sleep in a car in the winter at trailheads, and the conductive and radiative heat loss through that roof at night in winter is something I don't need. There was an article posted on one of the commercial EV forums about the use of reflective shades on the roof and windows for sleeping in the car, but that supposes you spend a lot of time looking straight up while in the car to make the glass roof (and a shade for same) worth the cost and trouble. As I spend almost no time looking straight up while in a car, why would I want the additional expense and weight of an un-insulated glass roof and then need to buy a reflective cover to provide insulation for it?I'm already carrying a reflective cover for the front window and (depending on the weather) ones for the side and rear windows as well; I really don't want to deal with another one. I haven't bought cars with sun/moonroofs for much the same reason (although my primary concern there was long-term water tightness and reliability). I've owned a convertible and driven it top down in conditions suitable for that, and anything else is just an inadequate attempt to achieve the same thing.
I know my sensitivity to heat compared to the mean, and when on road trips I'm often out all day exposed to direct sun - the last thing I want or need is to feel ANY radiative or conductive heat on my body when I'm in the car afterwards. I typically X-C ski dressed in nothing but shorts, socks, boots, gaiters, fingerless bike gloves and a ball cap if the temp is above 20 deg. F., because I get too hot otherwise, which I think you'll agree isn't typical for the average person. So, when numerous owners and people who've done reviews report sensible heat gain through the roof (and heat loss is obvious), why would you think I wouldn't?EVDRIVER said:
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