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Re: Official Tesla Model Y Thread

Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:26 pm

New vehicle average prices in the USA are approaching $40k. The $10k difference that you emphasize is easily covered by fuel costs differences for households with PV even if no tax credits are available. I'm presuming that 10% of the USA households can still do arithmetic.
Two quibbles: first, "households with PV" are still not mainstream, even counting utility-installed grid tied setups*. You'd be better off just arguing "reduced fuel and maintenance costs." Second, the decision to buy a new car is not, for the vast majority of people, math-based. They will try to decide if they can afford the payments - on a car they've already decided, for decidedly non mathematical reasons, that they want.


* Searching briefly for a number or percentage, I'm not sure that anyone has one. The common approach is to look at installed solar capacity (an estimate, apparently) and divide by number of houses. Fail. My own personal guesstimate is about 5% of homes. I wouldn't be surprised if it were more like 3%.
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Re: Official Tesla Model Y Thread

Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:29 pm

lorenfb wrote:Yes, I remember that well too. The impetus for adoption of the PC wasn't the utility of the PC itself, but the arrival of the internet.
The Internet predates the PC. Of course, they didn't let regular people on it for quite a while.

I got on CompuServe for the ability to send email to other CompuServe users. There were BBS available in the early 1980's as well. It's hard to say when the Internet arrived. 1989, when CompuServe users could send email to an Internet address? 1995, when all restrictions on commercial use were dropped? But the growth was steady, long before then.

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lorenfb wrote:Most yawned when you demoed your PC, as most do today when you start a discussion about a BEV. Again, the key for a significant BEV adoption by the consumer and a potential "EV revolution" will occur when the consumer perceives a significant value over an ICEV. Presently, that's not the case!
Not everyone yawned when they saw my PC. My kid brother (about 10 at the time) started writing games on it, then inviting the neighborhood kids over to play while I wasn't home, and charging them per game to play. Usually a quarter, sometimes a dime or less. Social popularity, income, what more could a slightly geeky kid want? I'm not sure if he made enough to pay for my computer... But he might have. I didn't see a dime of this, of course.

The technology wasn't good enough for mass consumption in 1976. I understood that. But it was going to improve a lot. And it did.

EVs are improving a lot, if you didn't notice. I'm not saying that current EVs are mass market ready. What I'm saying is that is coming.
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Re: Official Tesla Model Y Thread

Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:28 am

DanCar wrote:I'm excited about it. May not buy one, but I find it meets my needs well. The Chrysler Portal minivan is another car that I'm excited about. Competition should be good. https://cleantechnica.com/2018/09/18/ch ... roduction/
An advantage of the Portal is that it can seat 6 adults unlike the Model Y.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ZsZpwTUqM&t=7m30s
Quote from video: No way an adult is going to sit back there in those two seats.
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Re: Official Tesla Model Y Thread

Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:41 am

Quote from video: No way an adult is going to sit back there in those two seats.
The guy who "fixed" the Y by making it a kammback probably also fixed that problem. I think that taking the "fixed" body and adding a little Lotus Europa flair (in the nose, with covered lights) would be a hit.


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Re: Official Tesla Model Y Thread

Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:01 am

Tesla Increases Model Y Prices By $1,000, Plus 3% Increase On Inventory Cars
https://insideevs.com/tesla-increase-model-y-price/

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Re: Official Tesla Model Y Thread

Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:08 am

LeftieBiker wrote: Two quibbles: first, "households with PV" are still not mainstream
About 65% of households are owners of single family houses. Even if only 1/4 of those houses are highly amenable to PV, that is the addressable crowd on a money basis for an EV that costs ~ $10k more than an ICE.

BTW, Google estimates that 80% of homes in the USA are PV candidates
https://www.engadget.com/2017/03/15/goo ... potential/

I recognize that most Americans are driven by the monthly payment. All I suggest is that they combine the car payment and monthly fuel cost together. I estimate that at least 1 in 10 Americans retain that skill.
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Re: Official Tesla Model Y Thread

Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:48 pm

The number of households that could physically install PV isn't nearly as important as the number who would actually want to do so and have the right conditions. That number remains relatively low.
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Re: Official Tesla Model Y Thread

Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:36 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:The number of households that could physically install PV isn't nearly as important as the number who would actually want to do so and have the right conditions. That number remains relatively low.
And is doubling every 3 years or so.
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Re: Official Tesla Model Y Thread

Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:20 pm

I knew the Model Y's profile reminded me of some other car, and now I know which.

Model Y: https://images.app.goo.gl/vVEg43jBSr8cVVpL9
Other: https://images.app.goo.gl/j5efRrnawmdcTBK36
Other #2: https://images.app.goo.gl/YhyLGEXPXpWPJXP48

Open them all up and click back and forth between them. There really isn't anything new under the aerodynamic sun.
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Re: Official Tesla Model Y Thread

Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:58 pm

GRA wrote:I knew the Model Y's profile reminded me of some other car, and now I know which.

Model Y: https://images.app.goo.gl/vVEg43jBSr8cVVpL9
Other: https://images.app.goo.gl/j5efRrnawmdcTBK36
Other #2: https://images.app.goo.gl/YhyLGEXPXpWPJXP48

Open them all up and click back and forth between them. There really isn't anything new under the aerodynamic sun.
you are absolutely right. Other and Other #2 look a lot alike. And neither look like Model Y. If you want we can get back to Leaf and Versa looking a lot alike. That was always an entertaining discussion in a thread. It is not useful to compare what cars you think look like others. 10 people will have 12 opinions on the subject.
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