DustanT
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Re: From truck to leaf?

Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:05 pm

On a new one sorry I wasn't clear on that.

cwerdna
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Re: From truck to leaf?

Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:06 am

DustanT wrote:On a new one sorry I wasn't clear on that.
You can find regional incentives on Nissans at https://www.choosenissan.com/.

You can find incentives in general at https://www.edmunds.com/car-incentives/. Cars.com used to have a similar listing but I can't find it anymore.

https://www.cars.com/articles/how-to-us ... 681108200/ and https://www.cars.com/articles/understan ... 681046341/ may help.

https://www.nissanusa.com/leaf-electric ... n/Michigan has Federal and state incentives. If you buy, you must have at least $7,500 in tax liability for a given tax year, otherwise you won't receive the full $7,500 benefit and it can't be carried over to the next tax year.

None of this is of use when buying a used Leaf, at least for your state.

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Oils4AsphaultOnly
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Re: From truck to leaf?

Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:13 pm

DustanT wrote:Wow lots of info to read through here thanks a lot guys. Can someone explain the incentives? I called a dealer near me and asked if I could get some info on a leaf they asked what was a leaf. Needless to say I said uh never mind and hung up. What is the real price of the car and how is the incentive applied.
Although cwerdna's info is correct (the last link was wonderfully concise), from your post history, I'm guessing you need a little bit more guidance?

With new leaf's, the incentives are the same, but applied differently depending on whether you purchase or lease the leaf.

- If you buy the car, you pay the negotiated price (let's say $25k as an example), plus tax + title + delivery fees. The total out the door price might be ~$28k. You can finance that or pay cash. When you file your 2017 tax return sometime in 2018, you'll claim the Federal tax rebate then and deduct $7500 from your tax liability (have your tax preparer explain this) at that time. Same with any state tax rebates. The electric utility discount programs are applied at the time you register with your utilities and affect your electricity rates as soon as you register.

- if you lease the car, the federal tax rebate is actually taken by NMAC and used to reduce the "capital cost" of the lease (along with any NMAC lease incentives. They use that capital cost and pre-determined residual value (california Nissan dealers said that NMAC forbids them from adjusting this) to calculate your down-payment and monthly payments.

The end result (assuming you qualify for the full $7500 federal tax rebate and have good credit) is that your total lease payments [ plus residual value + sales tax ] should be pretty close (minus some lease profit) to what the purchase price would've been. If we take the assumed out-the-door-price of $28k - $7500 = ~$20.5k after fees and rebates.

This is a gross simplification, the actual dollar amounts will vary of course.

Hope this helps!
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DustanT
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Re: From truck to leaf?

Tue Apr 02, 2019 6:27 am

So It's been a while since I was on here and a lot has happened so I'll just touch up on what I would like to do. Gas prices are on the rise and I think this time they are not going to drop as our governor want to raise the tax another 45 cents a gallon to fix her road. My wife is not working full time anymore while going to collage, my 19yo daughter is also in collage so things are pretty tight for another 1 or 2 years. We have a gmc terrain and my ram 1500 for our daily drivers. As you know the ram is not a sipping machine averaging 12MPG on 35's going down hill on dry pavement. My current drive has only 12 miles of freeway and the rest 2 lane roads for a total of 33 miles one way. I know the leaf in the cooler months wont make it round trip BUT I can install level 2 charger that plugs in to a wall outlet like a dryer plug. I have been reading and watching youtube and forums on the battery and how to check with the leafspy for the battery condition. I have been really looking hard at all the electric only and also range extender cars to include, leaf, volt, BMW i3, VW E golf, for focus E, and FIAT 500E. I think I'm now just overwhelmed and not sure where to go from here. I do want an electric car for a commuter just seem to be stuck on what would be best. I have found a few 13 and 14 year SL and SV leafs for around $10k but a lot of them are missing 2 to 4 bars some even more. That makes me nervous for buying a leaf and wondering if it wont be able to make it to work. My $500+ gas bill a month is getting hard to justify anymore. What do you guys think?

rogersleaf
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Re: From truck to leaf?

Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:22 am

Relax... You are a perfect candidate for a Leaf. However, I would not touch any used with degraded batteries. Judging by the $.46/gal crazy gas tax increase you must be from Michigan and deal with a broad climate.

The key thing to remember about Leafs, especially in cold climates is to always have a “Plan B” for getting enough range to get home. For some, that means workplace charging, for others that might be knowing reliable public chargers on your route. A good “Plan B” also includes alternate routes that are shorter and/or slower speeds to stretch range through reducing the consumption rate. An additional part is retaining a gas powered vehicle for those times that the Leaf isn’t practical.

It’s all a matter of wanting to make it work, or choosing priorities of $500+/mo feeding a Dodge Ram vs. $50/mo feeding a Leaf. The difference can easily make a car payment.
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DustanT
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Re: From truck to leaf?

Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:48 am

I would say board lightly lol we get down right horrible winters here, up to 200" of the white stuff per year and -40f temps. Parking at work is outside but at home I have a wood stove heating the garage and a lot of times its 70 to 80 in there but average 50 to 60 over night as the stove runs down. My budget is around $8,000, I've been looking at cargurus and 500 mile radius, not sure if there is another site to use for searching. Nothing in my price range in northern michgan and very little electric cars in general in a 200 mile radius. Mostly looking at the SL and SV trims.

rogersleaf
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Re: From truck to leaf?

Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:26 am

DustanT wrote:I would say board lightly lol we get down right horrible winters here, up to 200" of the white stuff per year and -40f temps. Parking at work is outside but at home I have a wood stove heating the garage and a lot of times its 70 to 80 in there but average 50 to 60 over night as the stove runs down. My budget is around $8,000, I've been looking at cargurus and 500 mile radius, not sure if there is another site to use for searching. Nothing in my price range in northern michgan and very little electric cars in general in a 200 mile radius. Mostly looking at the SL and SV trims.
I was just at my dealer near Akron, Oh getting a ‘19. They had a very nice late-‘13 SV with roughly 16k miles for @$8500. Was 11 bar, showing @ 83% SOH on Leafspy. The worst thing I can say about it is that it reeks with cigarette smoke. A friend of mine was looking so test drove it. Also test drove a ‘16 S (24KWh) that is very clean. Google search Ron Marhoffer Nissan. Both are on their website.
2014 SV - Brilliant Silver - returned 1/2017 at end of lease.
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goldbrick
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Re: From truck to leaf?

Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:21 am

There are boatloads of used Leaf's here in Boulder, CO. Shipping one to MI would probably cost about $600-800. Just food for thought since I would guess you could save $1000's by buying the car someplace where there are many around and recoup the shipping cost easily.

DustanT
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Re: From truck to leaf?

Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:26 am

goldbrick wrote:There are boatloads of used Leaf's here in Boulder, CO. Shipping one to MI would probably cost about $600-800. Just food for thought since I would guess you could save $1000's by buying the car someplace where there are many around and recoup the shipping cost easily.
For Colorado I'll drive or fly out there buddy, I love Colorado, we go there every year to visit family a few weeks at a time and looking to maybe move out there in a few years.

DustanT
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Re: From truck to leaf?

Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:28 am

rogersleaf wrote:
DustanT wrote:I would say board lightly lol we get down right horrible winters here, up to 200" of the white stuff per year and -40f temps. Parking at work is outside but at home I have a wood stove heating the garage and a lot of times its 70 to 80 in there but average 50 to 60 over night as the stove runs down. My budget is around $8,000, I've been looking at cargurus and 500 mile radius, not sure if there is another site to use for searching. Nothing in my price range in northern michgan and very little electric cars in general in a 200 mile radius. Mostly looking at the SL and SV trims.
I was just at my dealer near Akron, Oh getting a ‘19. They had a very nice late-‘13 SV with roughly 16k miles for @$8500. Was 11 bar, showing @ 83% SOH on Leafspy. The worst thing I can say about it is that it reeks with cigarette smoke. A friend of mine was looking so test drove it. Also test drove a ‘16 S (24KWh) that is very clean. Google search Ron Marhoffer Nissan. Both are on their website.
I'm looking at those now, the smoke smell can be removed I think but hope there is no burn holes. So this SOH% just give you an idea of how long the battery will last?

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