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Re: Kia Niro BEV

Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:42 pm

Has anyone in this discussion driven either the Niro or Kona for more than an around the block?
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Re: Kia Niro BEV

Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:55 pm

I am going back to the Hyundai dealer for a longer drive; the Niro is not available yet and the Kia dealer has no idea when it will be arriving - this is in CT.
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Re: Kia Niro BEV

Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:06 pm

I’ll have a Niro for a week starting on the 22nd. Let me know if there is anything you might want me to check out for you.
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Re: Kia Niro BEV

Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:02 pm

I would like an opinion of actual range vs. EPA for the Niro EV. vs. Leaf Plus.

Niro Ev not available in IL yet (most dealers don't even have/deal with Soul EV of any year), so curious as to your opinon as you have both cars.
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Re: Kia Niro BEV

Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:46 am

Two things of interest to me:

1. Between the Niro and Kona, which would you prefer to drive for 2 hours at 70 mph?

2. Could you confirm that there is no degradation warranty for either the Niro or Kona.

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Re: Kia Niro BEV

Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:36 pm

OrientExpress wrote:I’ll have a Niro for a week starting on the 22nd. Let me know if there is anything you might want me to check out for you.
How flat is the cargo area with the rear seats down, and what is the load floor and lift-over height?

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Re: Kia Niro BEV

Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:34 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:I would like an opinion of actual range vs. EPA for the Niro EV. vs. Leaf Plus.

Niro Ev not available in IL yet (most dealers don't even have/deal with Soul EV of any year), so curious as to your opinon as you have both cars.
Re. the Niro's range, from the C&D review of the Niro that a couple of us have referenced:
We suspect the car's optional heat pump—an expensive piece of hardware that's a much more efficient way to warm a vehicle's cabin than the resistive heat found in most competitors—was much of the reason why the Niro delivered an impressive 180 miles on our highway-range run, a 20-mile advantage over the Kona (both were tested in mid-20-degree winter temperatures).

C&D editors like most writers for automags are leadfeet, so I'd say those numbers for the Niro (and Kona) are very repeatable, especially given the temps.
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Re: Kia Niro BEV

Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:07 pm

GRA wrote:Re. the Niro's range, from the C&D review of the Niro that a couple of us have referenced:
We suspect the car's optional heat pump—an expensive piece of hardware that's a much more efficient way to warm a vehicle's cabin than the resistive heat found in most competitors—was much of the reason why the Niro delivered an impressive 180 miles on our highway-range run, a 20-mile advantage over the Kona (both were tested in mid-20-degree winter temperatures).

C&D editors like most writers for automags are leadfeet, so I'd say those numbers for the Niro (and Kona) are very repeatable, especially given the temps.
I hope C&D is right, but per Bengt Halvorson at GCR;

"Cars sold in California won’t come with a heat pump. But those nearly everywhere else in the U.S. will come with a winter package that includes a heated steering wheel, a heat pump system, and battery warming."

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Re: Kia Niro BEV

Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:09 pm

You'd think that they would make the Winter Package an option that could be ordered in California...
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Re: Kia Niro BEV

Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:17 pm

There is considerable confusion over whether or not the heat pump will be available in CA or not, with some journos saying yes and others no, both sides supposedly quoting official sources. I gave my input to Kia some time back (see upthread and esp. in the Kona topic) that it was most definitely wanted here, otherwise Californians would have to buy cars out of state. We'll see what the reality is once they arrive, but the range advantage on moderately cold weather road trips was exactly the reason I urged them to include or at least offer it here.
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