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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:03 pm

EVDRIVER wrote: So one person and another that "claims" something that is likely windshields not roofs since that is common. Where are all the damaged sunroofs out there? Again, there are all sorts of road hazards in different conditions bit I don't see this as a big issue. A roof respray costs more than a glass panel and takes more time.
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Lots of Tesla's are broken into so should I not buy one? Guess what, so are other cars and in even higher frequency. How do some here even enjoy life or pull the trigger on a purchase without endless analysis and
FWIW, back to your thing about the sky, years ago, I was with my dad and as we passed under and overpass, a rock hit the windshield w/enough force to create a star and warranty windshield replacement. You do drive under bridges and overpasses, right?

From my personal experience, flying road debris striking windshields seems to come out of nowhere. Fortunately, I haven't had any happen recently w/enough force to cause a star in my cars.

I've never needed to respray a roof of a car. How many times have you heard of anyone w/a cracked roof on a Leaf? Heck, even a small tree fell onto my Prius maybe a decade ago at work. Security at work called me about it. It made a minor dent either on the A pillar or outer edge of the roof of one side w/no paint damage.

Google for site:teslamotorsclub.com "model 3" glass roof crack.

Funny that you mention break-ins. This was a very minor contributing factor to why to I decided against buying a Tesla in the SF Bay Area. Mitsuwa was mentioned and I responded at https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... st-2816758. I've been there many times w/my Leaf and once in the past two weeks w/my Bolt. Car's never been broken into there, yet.

Here's another thread from the Bay Area: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... lot.97112/. https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/T ... 68271.html made the local news. My only hypotheses as to why are the perhaps thieves believe that those driving Teslas after work on weekdays think that the driver's a tech worker who left their laptop inside? Thieves seem to figure they can break the back corner window and easily flip down the seat to check what's in the back.

If Teslas continue to be a disproportionate target of auto thieves in my area, you can bet insurance rates on them will go up.

I had no analysis paralysis. I ran thru the numbers (actual price tax credit, etc.) w/what was available in Jan 2019, ran hypothetical numbers if the SR ever came out, listed out the features and attributes I cared about and decided no 3 for me back then. The MR, SR, SR+, etc. did nothing to address any my issues other than price.
jlv wrote:
WetEV wrote:Yes, I've noticed that a majority of traffic is Tesla fanboys telling LEAF drivers and potential drivers just how great Tesla is (don't mind Musk's tweets) and how horrible Nissan is, and how horrible the LEAF is.
I feel the attitude here on MNL is lots of people who want to find fault in what Tesla has accomplished. It almost seems to me that the attitude is "I can't afford it, so I have to say how horrible it is", but it seems to transcend even that.
There is certainly quite a bit of what WetEV states going on here. :roll:

As for afford or not, I can't speak for others but I can afford any model of Tesla and pay cash for a new one. So, it's not a matter of afford or not, for me.

The Model X is a reliability disaster. I have no use for nor want an SUV, besides that fact I dislike its styling (have stated all of this numerous times in several places). The Model S has drifted far beyond what I'd want to pay for car. Its long-term reliability and cost for repairs are questionable. The 3 comes closest to what I'd be willing to pay for a vehicle. However, despite it being far superior to my Bolt in several aspects (e.g. Supercharger network, SC charging speeds, interior quality), it fails to meet my criteria for buying for numerous reasons.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:49 pm

Maybe kids just like to drop rocks onto glass roofs.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:03 am

Of course everyone gets windshield chips I have plenty on other cars but I don’t have any roof damage and if I ever do it won’t be from going under an over pass as that sounds like plain bad luck. New cars with lower drag are more prone to debris strikes and it won’t matter what the roof is made from so I would rarer replace a small glass panel than have to paint a roof which would be required with the same hit unless you like chips. Contrary to belief the panel in question on a 3 roof is small not the entire roof , it’s like a sun roof. In the meantime I simply won’t worry about it because I’ll be driving an ev I enjoy and won’t be driving an ICE posting about all the reasons every ev on the market does not meet my needs. No ev is perfect and I have owned more than 10 different models and the two best so far were the LEAF and the 3. The LEAF is a great ev for short trips and makes sense if you can get a deal on one and you are not concerned or impacted by degradation issues. The new prices on an SR Plus 3 really make it an amazing value and in a different league. The vast majority of the many ev buyers think about range and charging not that the front end looks like a Chevy (no), the dash needs darker stain (change it with a kit) or some other nonsense excuse. There are easily thousands of LEAF buyers that bought a 3 so clearly some
found it acceptable. In the meantime some will stick with an ice until the perfect ev comes and they can pick apart all models they won’t be buying for many gas driving years. Nissan actually would have been competing with Tesla had they got their act together over all the many years they had to make changes with their first mover advantage. Even with no viable charge network they blew their opportunity likely due to corporate profit greed and politics. Tesla May struggle financially but they did a service to the market and changed ev history because without them there would be little movement in this space and we would not have the tech we see today. Companies like Nissan are not tech leaders and will never lead the market, in fact few companies likely will in this space. People that rally for Tesla to fail simply don’t get the repercussions on the entire market. Show me any other company that has done anything like this ever in the auto world. Should they fail today they still won even if a few roofs chip.

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:20 am

I just got an email from Tesla stating that the model 3 is now available for lease. It also appears that the model 3 SR is no longer available and the cheapest you can get is the SR plus for $39500.

I priced the lease for a black one with no upgrades and it is $3k down + $504 /month with 10k miles/year. Assuming they pocket the tax credit they'll make $25k for 3 years. Sweet deal for them if the resale value remains high like it appears it will.

For comparison sake I'm paying $10500 for 3 years and 15k miles/year on a 2018 Leaf SV lease. Folks can decide for themselves what the better deal is for their situation...

As to the overall conversation I respect what Tesla has done a great deal and think they have generally made an exciting product. That said, I also get a bit annoyed by the constant leaf bashing by 4 or 5 Tesla owners on a leaf forum. I looked at both cars in quite a bit of detail and I chose the Leaf over the Tesla M3. It is not a decision that I regret.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:51 am

golfcart wrote:I just got an email from Tesla stating that the model 3 is now available for lease. It also appears that the model 3 SR is no longer available and the cheapest you can get is the SR plus for $39500.

I priced the lease for a black one with no upgrades and it is $3k down + $504 /month with 10k miles/year. Assuming they pocket the tax credit they'll make $25k for 3 years. Sweet deal for them if the resale value remains high like it appears it will.

For comparison sake I'm paying $10500 for 3 years and 15k miles/year on a 2018 Leaf SV lease. Folks can decide for themselves what the better deal is for their situation...

As to the overall conversation I respect what Tesla has done a great deal and think they have generally made an exciting product. That said, I also get a bit annoyed by the constant leaf bashing by 4 or 5 Tesla owners on a leaf forum. I looked at both cars in quite a bit of detail and I chose the Leaf over the Tesla M3. It is not a decision that I regret.
And the "great M3 lease" program:

https://www.tesla.com/model3/design?red ... 57#payment

Only 10K miles for 3 yrs, oh please. As usual with Tesla, the issue becomes whether the lease package ($$$) you desire gets an immediate delivery!
Due Today$2,500
Fully refundable
By clicking "Place Order" I agree to the Model 3 Order Agreement, Supercharger Fair Use Policy, the Customer Privacy Agreement, and consent to be contacted at the number provided with more information or offers about Tesla products. I understand these calls or texts may use automated dialing or pre-recorded messages. I understand my consent to be contacted is not a condition of purchase.
After payment, comes the email:
"Given the incredible number of lease orders Tesla received for your specific M3, your lease vehicle will be available before
July of 2019, at which time more detailed information about the lease terms will be available."
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:39 pm

golfcart wrote:I just got an email from Tesla stating that the model 3 is now available for lease. It also appears that the model 3 SR is no longer available and the cheapest you can get is the SR plus for $39500.
cwerdna wrote:Thanks to a post elsewhere:
"Pricing changed again, AP (single lane) now standard.... SR is a software limited SR+." SR and LR RWD available by calling or via stores.
https://www.tesla.com/blog/update-our-vehicle-lineup
No. You need to call or visit a store to get the 3 SR, until Tesla cancels it.
golfcart wrote: I priced the lease for a black one with no upgrades and it is $3k down + $504 /month with 10k miles/year. Assuming they pocket the tax credit they'll make $25k for 3 years. Sweet deal for them if the resale value remains high like it appears it will.

For comparison sake I'm paying $10500 for 3 years and 15k miles/year on a 2018 Leaf SV lease. Folks can decide for themselves what the better deal is for their situation...
Indeed. The 3 lease prices are very high when you look at the total cost of lease.
golfcart wrote: As to the overall conversation I respect what Tesla has done a great deal and think they have generally made an exciting product. That said, I also get a bit annoyed by the constant leaf bashing by 4 or 5 Tesla owners on a leaf forum. I looked at both cars in quite a bit of detail and I chose the Leaf over the Tesla M3. It is not a decision that I regret.
Totally agree, except I chose a Bolt and have no regrets.
lorenfb wrote: And the "great M3 lease" program:

https://www.tesla.com/model3/design?red ... 57#payment

Only 10K miles for 3 yrs, oh please.
One can up the allowed miles but it's not very discoverable. You need to click the estimate payments link at the bottom.


OT: Here we go again w/Elon's crazy claims at https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1117099861273219073.
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I find the million mile claim for DUs highly doubtful, considering their track record and claims/excuses on previous vehicles. As a reminder, about the 3, I collected 20 some failed Model 3 DU reports at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 32#p553832 which I'd stumbled across.

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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:56 am

I was looking into used Model S and for some reason most of them offered for private sale had Battery, Motor and MCU(tablet) replaced under Tesla warranty, before they put those for sale. I decided to avoid used ones because of this. Does not exactly induce much of the owner confidence going forward.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:23 am

Elon promises individual module replacements, I think I heard something like this previously from another manufacturer and it didn't pan out too well.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:51 am

Leaf15 wrote:I was looking into used Model S and for some reason most of them offered for private sale had Battery, Motor and MCU(tablet) replaced under Tesla warranty, before they put those for sale. I decided to avoid used ones because of this. Does not exactly induce much of the owner confidence going forward.
Tesla has a great warranty. So, if you happen to have one of those issues, it will be repaired for free. If it was previously repaired, it probably won't need it again. If in the rare occasion you do, still covered, unless out of warranty.
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Re: Official Tesla Model 3 thread

Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:46 am

EVDRIVER wrote:
EVDRIVER wrote:
OrientExpress wrote:
Lemmings instinct is to follow their peers.
Says the sheep as they follow Nissan over the lithium cliffs:) I'm sure things will bounce with the LR LEAF that is going to arrive tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow. Or was that the infinity that was launching years ago? I'll tweet Carlos and ask, they don't monitor his tweets do they?

By the way, the lemmings are former LEAF owners they just went over to places like TMC.

When Nissan gets their act together after 8 plus years I may reconsider but I'm not holding my breath based on history.
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I still own 2 Leafs and also own a Tesla. Tesla is superior to Leaf. Currently, Tesla is superior to all other BEV's.

I don't need brand loyalty, I want the better car on the market. Nissan may be a better car sometime in the future. What they are making now is not. I am disappointed that Nissan has not produced what most Americans want.

If I were to have brand loyalty, it would have been Nissan. I like the idea that they made a great effort to get electric cars out to the world when no one else would.

IMO Nissan dropped the ball and did not capitalize on it's lead.

Tesla is an American car company that in short order has propelled itself to the current top dog to beat. I am impressed by their product compared to all others.
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