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GRA said:
Back on topic, does anyone have a source for NM wind generation curves? While I've had no trouble finding the names, capacities and total annual production of NM wind farms, I've been unable to find any data such as is available for.....
Most wind farms really don't like to share their detailed data. They didn't like the idea that I was taking notes on their production trends straight off the trended data.
I was a visiting student, not like they could fire me.
Sage brush posted weather reports that show wind speed throughout the day here. Those weather reports precisely detail what I said happens here.

A typical non-GE wind turbine like the ones I was around/inside of they start turning at 4 or 5 mph of wind speed then start production at about 7 or 8 mph but this is only around 40kw. Then by 30 to 36mph they are at full power, most of the turbines around here are 1 to 2Mw.
In standby mode they draw 5 to 7kw.

Plus I don't know what the big deal is over wind power. It's economical, In most areas I don't believe it increases rates by any notable amount. If I was approached by a wind power company that wanted to build wind turbines on my land I would have them.
 
SageBrush said:
Oilpan4 said:
We don't need tresamigas.
The proposed DCHV line was never about NM per se, but a proposal to link the wind resources in West Texas and Eastern NM with the
California market.

It will happen because it makes a LOT of sense, saves money, and allows the clean energy economy to blossom. We just have to get rid of the monkeys in the White House.
I was unaware trump was president in 2014-2015 when tresamigas progress stalled.
I would love for NM to sell wind power to California if they are unwilling to build their own wind farms.
But most of NM and California are on the same power grid, all we needed was additional high voltage AC capacity to get it to them. Fancy overpriced transmission lines not needed.
 
SageBrush said:
Oilpan4 said:
Do you know how I can pull the trend data off their closed scata system with out working there at the wind farm?
No, but the wind resource data itself is available. Since you refuse to reference data to back up your drivel I posted ERCOT and NM wind data (in the NREL link) in an earlier post to show just how wrong your statements are.

I posted the weather link to give you an idea how to collect data but other sources are available.

Go ahead -- look at the 2017 ERCOT wind generation graph posted in this thread. What is the range of average hourly capacity factor through the night ?
When during the 24 hour cycle is the nadir ?

This is the graph. Do you understand it ?

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Easy.
That graph doesn't count wind turbines that are in shutdown mode as "capacity".
Most of them go into shutdown mode at night.
I was looking at actual power generation.
Not bean counter capacity factor number fluffing.
 
More good news, nm customers are going to be on the hook for the shutdown of the coal fired plant in Farmington.
https://apnews.com/58c8b81fa2a347748ff77db2534c2f69.
 
Oilpan4 said:
More good news, nm customers are going to be on the hook for the shutdown of the coal fired plant in Farmington.
More accurately, they remain on the hook, but this way they get cheaper, clean energy.
 
Oilpan4 said:
That graph doesn't count wind turbines that are in shutdown mode as "capacity".
Most of them go into shutdown mode at night.
I was looking at actual power generation.
Not bean counter capacity factor number fluffing.

Source please.
 
WetEV said:
Oilpan4 said:
That graph doesn't count wind turbines that are in shutdown mode as "capacity".
Most of them go into shutdown mode at night.
I was looking at actual power generation.
Not bean counter capacity factor number fluffing.

Source please.
Good luck :lol:

He does not understand that the ERCOT data is actual generation divided by nameplate.
 
SageBrush said:
GRA said:
IIRR they were originally claiming they could ultimately move 20GW.
The website says 750 MW planned in 2016 but they are now talking about a 200 MW pipe-let.

I don't think there is much doubt that large scale regional sharing is key to replacing fossils with clean energy.
Unfortunately, a forward thinking government is needed.
That was in 2017. The last press release on their website was in 11/2016, so I suspect they may well be dead, as their problem was lack of financing and not meeting targets. But the ability to move large amounts of renewable electricity to the coasts will be critical to any attempt to get off fossil fuels (for electricity), and so far, no one's willing to pay for that. Re Tres Amigas, this is from July 2015:
Tres Amigas, a $1.6 billion project meant to connect the three U.S. regional grid systems with a superconducting high-voltage direct current transmission link, has just lost an interconnection agreement with one of its key grid partners.

On Monday, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission issued an “instant proceeding” (PDF) approving a request from the Southwest Power Pool to terminate the interconnection agreement between Tres Amigas and utility Southwestern Public Service Co. (SPS). According to the document, the utility decided to terminate the agreement in May, after Tres Amigas had consistently defaulted on its milestone agreements and failed to make initial payments.

Xcel Energy, which owns SPS, told FERC that the utility had “voluntarily extended the deadlines for compliance with milestones contained in the Agreement four times, thereby delaying the Commercial Operation Date in the Agreement by nearly two years” since it was first filed in September 2013. SPS also agreed to decrease the initial payment owed by Tres Amigas from $7.5 million to $1.4 million, but still has not been paid, the FERC document stated.

That’s a tiny amount of money compared to the estimated $1.6 billion that Tres Amigas hopes to raise and spend to build its first-of-a-kind transmission link in Clovis, New Mexico. The idea is to build high-voltage direct current (HVDC) links between three U.S. grid systems -- the Eastern Interconnection, the Western Interconnection, and the Texas power grid -- to allow the large amounts of power being generated by wind and solar farms in that region to reach multiple markets. . . .;
https://www.greentechmedia.com/arti...connect-for-grid-connecting-project#gs.5rtbd3
 
Oilpan4 said:
SageBrush said:
Oilpan4 said:
We don't need tresamigas.
The proposed DCHV line was never about NM per se, but a proposal to link the wind resources in West Texas and Eastern NM with the
California market.

It will happen because it makes a LOT of sense, saves money, and allows the clean energy economy to blossom. We just have to get rid of the monkeys in the White House.
I was unaware trump was president in 2014-2015 when tresamigas progress stalled.
I would love for NM to sell wind power to California if they are unwilling to build their own wind farms.
But most of NM and California are on the same power grid, all we needed was additional high voltage AC capacity to get it to them. Fancy overpriced transmission lines not needed.
California isn't unwilling to build wind farms: after all, for many years we had the largest wind farm in the world. But the good onshore wind resources are mostly concentrated in just a few passes, and those have already been exploited. Off-shore has better resources but faces its own issues, cost first but also navigation and environmental/aesthetic. I personally like the way wind turbines look, but I'm apparently in a minority.

"Fancy overpriced lines" presumably refers to HV DC, but as that is cheaper when moving large amounts of electricity over long distances, I have no idea why you'd make that statement:
Over a specific distance, called as break-even distance, HVDC line becomes cheaper than HVAC. The break-even distance for overhead lines is around 600 km and for submarine lines it is around 50 km.
https://www.electricaleasy.com/2016/02/hvdc-vs-hvac.html

As the straight line distance from Clovis, NM to L.A. is almost 1,400 km and to NYC is over 2,600 km with the path of any transmission line being longer, there's no question whether AC or DC is cheaper.
 
California had something like 6,000Mw of installed wind capacity.
Texas has over 22,000Mw.
I have heard there's been a lot of nimby interference in california wind projects for about the last 10 years.
In texas, new mexico and Oklahoma when some one wants to build a new wind farm all you hear is "approved!".
Even with out this ridiculous mandate NM would probably surpass California in wind production with in 15 years.


New mexico did with it with tens of millions of dollars upgrading existing AC lines to get the wind power west ward. The other guys wanted hundreds of millions of dollars.
I have no intrest in paying for a direct DC line from NM to anywhere. If they want it, they can pay for it. Otherwise just push the electricity over existing/upgraded and expanded AC lines.
 
WetEV said:
Oilpan4 said:
That graph doesn't count wind turbines that are in shutdown mode as "capacity".
Most of them go into shutdown mode at night.
I was looking at actual power generation.
Not bean counter capacity factor number fluffing.

Source please.

Source.
Or just admit you were BS'ing.
 
smkettner said:
Affordable? So what has been the rate increase so far? 20% 50%?
.
Ignore oil-y's nonsense. PNM makes it very clear on its bill that the sourced clean energy is 20% cheaper than the mix of fossils. And that is true even before we account for the benefits of reduced pollution.
 
WetEV said:
WetEV said:
Oilpan4 said:
That graph doesn't count wind turbines that are in shutdown mode as "capacity".
Most of them go into shutdown mode at night.
I was looking at actual power generation.
Not bean counter capacity factor number fluffing.

Source please.

Source.
Or just admit you were BS'ing.
My source is I can see the Roosevelt wind farm from my house. At least 3 our of 4 mornings at sun up most of to none the wind turbines are not turning at all.
How are they producing power at sun up when they aren't moving?
 
Oilpan4 said:
WetEV said:
WetEV said:
Source please.

Source.
Or just admit you were BS'ing.
My source is I can see the Roosevelt wind farm from my house. At least 3 our of 4 mornings at sun up most of to none the wind turbines are not turning at all.
How are they producing power at sun up when they aren't moving?

That graph doesn't count wind turbines that are in shutdown mode as "capacity".
Most of them go into shutdown mode at night.
I was looking at actual power generation.
Not bean counter capacity factor number fluffing.

Notice that your observation doesn't even support what you claimed above. Sunrise isn't the same thing as night.

3 days looking out the window once a day at one location in the USA isn't data. Three days of wind power generation from California:

04/14/2019 to 04/16/2019

http://www.caiso.com/TodaysOutlook/Pages/supply.aspx

Scroll down to the renewables graph. Select only wind. Change the date to the above three dates.

04/17/2019

Shows the wind falling off after sunrise, then a brief peak in evening, then quiet.

80% power is feasible, but probably will take until 2040 to get there with reasonable costs. 100% isn't feasible at a reasonable cost yet.
 
Oilpan4 said:
My source is I can see the Roosevelt wind farm from my house. At least 3 our of 4 mornings at sun up most of to none the wind turbines are not turning at all.
How long do they not turn for ?
What does that say about all the other wind farms in the state and Texas ?

I'll answer the second question for you: nothing
That is why system wide data is used.
That is why Texas wide data is reported.
 
SageBrush said:
smkettner said:
Affordable? So what has been the rate increase so far? 20% 50%?
.
Ignore oil-y's nonsense. PNM makes it very clear on its bill that the sourced clean energy is 20% cheaper than the mix of fossils. And that is true even before we account for the benefits of reduced pollution.
Yes. As they say the proof is in the pudding.
Until there is a rate increase proposed there is really nothing to talk about.
 
Oilpan4 said:
My source is I can see the Roosevelt wind farm from my house. At least 3 our of 4 mornings at sun up most of to none the wind turbines are not turning at all.
How long do they not turn for ?
What does that say about all the other wind farms in the state and Texas ?

I'll answer the second question for you: nothing
That is why system wide data is used.
That is why Texas wide data is reported.

Your opinions are based on very, very limited anecdotal observation. No wonder they are rubbish.
 
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