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jlv said:
Tonyt said:
I recently purchased a 102k mile 2013. Battery was replaced around January 2013.
I'm guessing the battery replacement year is wrong.

You'll probably be better off asking at TMC in the battery subforum (https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/forums/model-s-battery-charging.109/).

John

Yes, I meant 2018. I updated it.

It was just a rhetorical question. I was posting some info since the chat seems to be able battery life now.
 
I became aware of this due to a post at work.

Current headline is
Tesla that caught fire in Los Gatos reignites at auto shop in Campbell
https://abc7news.com/watch-live-tesla-catches-fire-in-los-gatos/4925030/

Some tweets on this:
https://twitter.com/AmandaABC7/status/1075196041303973888
https://twitter.com/AmandaABC7/status/1075200579343806464
https://twitter.com/AmandaABC7/status/1075201813618483201
https://twitter.com/AmandaABC7/status/1075281553444397056
https://twitter.com/AmandaABC7/status/1075288954142810112

NBC Bay Area also had a story on this at the 11 pm news. Found this: https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Tesla-Vehicle-Catches-Fire-in-Los-Gatos-503080661.html.
 
cwerdna said:
I became aware of this due to a post at work.

Current headline is
Tesla that caught fire in Los Gatos reignites at auto shop in Campbell
https://abc7news.com/watch-live-tesla-catches-fire-in-los-gatos/4925030/

Some tweets on this:
https://twitter.com/AmandaABC7/status/1075196041303973888
https://twitter.com/AmandaABC7/status/1075200579343806464
https://twitter.com/AmandaABC7/status/1075201813618483201
https://twitter.com/AmandaABC7/status/1075281553444397056
https://twitter.com/AmandaABC7/status/1075288954142810112

NBC Bay Area also had a story on this at the 11 pm news. Found this: https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Tesla-Vehicle-Catches-Fire-in-Los-Gatos-503080661.html.

As one tire shop employee said to another mechanic; "Hey, where do I put the floor jack to lift the front of this Tesla to remove the front wheel?".
 
Regarding the crash in Florida at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2429&p=531079&hilit=florida#p531079,

Parents of Florida teen killed in Tesla crash sue electric car company
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/09/tesla-death-florida-teenager-family-sue-elon-musk-car-company :roll:

Unrelated but also in Florida:
Tesla Runs Red Light At 128 MPH, Smashes Into Infiniti SUV: Video
https://insideevs.com/video-tesla-runs-red-light-128-mph-smashes/ - If you watch the 1st video (assuming it is realtime and not speed up or slowed down), the light turned red at the 6 second mark. The Tesla barrels into the Infiniti SUV at the 13 second mark. WTF?

What's up with the crazy drivers in Florida?
 
cwerdna said:
Regarding the crash in Florida at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2429&p=531079&hilit=florida#p531079,

<span>Parents of Florida teen killed in <a href="http://www.myelectriccarforums.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=67" class="interlinkr">Tesla<span class="tip">Visit the Tesla Forum</span></a> crash sue electric car company</span>
<span>https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/09/<a href="http://www.myelectriccarforums.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=67" class="interlinkr">Tesla<span class="tip">Visit the Tesla Forum</span></a>-death-florida-teenager-family-sue-elon-musk-car-company :roll: </span>

Unrelated but also in Florida:
<span><a href="http://www.myelectriccarforums.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=67" class="interlinkr">Tesla<span class="tip">Visit the Tesla Forum</span></a> Runs Red Light At 128 MPH, Smashes Into Infiniti SUV: Video </span>
<span>https://insideevs.com/video-<a href="http://www.myelectriccarforums.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=67" class="interlinkr">Tesla<span class="tip">Visit the Tesla Forum</span></a>-runs-red-light-128-mph-smashes/ - If you watch the 1st video (assuming it is realtime and not speed up or slowed down), the light turned red at the 6 second mark. The Tesla barrels into the Infiniti SUV at the 13 second mark. WTF?</span>

What's up with the crazy drivers in Florida?
You give a teen driver a sportscar, don't be surprised when they do something stupid. Two friends of mine crashed sportscars when in high school, thankfully no major injuries. One a Porsche 944 Turbo, the other a Toyota MR2. Teens acting stupid, trying to impress their friends. This is exactly why "teen driver" mode exists on many cars.
 
Battery capacity loss--NOT!

I purchased a used model S85 from Tesla 21 months ago. Range charge gave 250 miles rated range when I got the vehicle. I have been charging to 50% five days a week as I only need to drive 40 miles and 125 miles of range is way more than enough. On Saturday I charge to 80% for a 140 mile round trip drive to Mt. Baldy. I only supercharged about half a dozen times. This weekend I did another range charge to see how much capacity I had lost, if any. I got 249 miles and the car had not quite finished charging but I had to leave. So no detectable capacity loss in 21 months! Beats the heck out of my 2011 Leaf that lost 4 bars in about 5.5 years!
 
lorenfb said:
As one tire shop employee said to another mechanic; "Hey, where do I put the floor jack to lift the front of this Tesla to remove the front wheel?".
[/quote]I now carry a diagram in my I-Pace that shows the lift points for a hand jack, jack stands or a central lift.
 
Wondering if they punctured the battery by running over something? Or, another battery gunshot by its owner or someone else? All just speculation at this point as to what may have happened until investigation has concluded.
 
lorenfb said:
As one tire shop employee said to another mechanic; "Hey, where do I put the floor jack to lift the front of this Tesla to remove the front wheel?".
[/quote]I now carry a diagram in my I-Pace that shows the lift points for a hand jack, jack stands or a central lift.[/quote]
The quote is misattributed to me.
 
Evoforce said:
Wondering if they punctured the battery by running over something? Or, another battery gunshot by its owner or someone else? All just speculation at this point as to what may have happened until investigation has concluded.

Hard to say, I have even heard fanboy speculation that it could be staged by a competitor to make them look bad...

Pretty scary no matter what the cause, that was a very short period of time between a little bit of smoke and the fireball. I don't think I could have got my kid out quick enough even if I noticed the smoke right away.
 
Valdemar said:
Ok, so there is no user visible capacity loss, what about the loss you didn't get to see?
The rated range shown is very accurate to how far I can drive at 65-70 MPH unlike the guess-o-meter. Hey, this ain't no stinkin' Leaf!
 
Stoaty said:
Valdemar said:
Ok, so there is no user visible capacity loss, what about the loss you didn't get to see?
The rated range shown is very accurate to how far I can drive at 65-70 MPH unlike the guess-o-meter. Hey, this ain't no stinkin' Leaf!

Like it or not but capacity loss happened, you just don't see it because Elon hid it well from you. As crappy as Leaf batteries are, at least we don't hear about a Leaf fire every 2-3 months.
 
Valdemar said:
Stoaty said:
Valdemar said:
Ok, so there is no user visible capacity loss, what about the loss you didn't get to see?
The rated range shown is very accurate to how far I can drive at 65-70 MPH unlike the guess-o-meter. Hey, this ain't no stinkin' Leaf!

Like it or not but capacity loss happened, you just don't see it because Elon hid it well from you. As crappy as Leaf batteries are, at least we don't hear about a Leaf fire every 2-3 months.

Hid it, how? I had an S with 50K miles and the loss was completely insignificant. The car was driven in high temps and used SC almost exclusively even in the desert. The fires are nonsense FUD, you don't hear about LEAF fires because there are so few LEAFs out there and you can't drive one into a wall at 120 either. Emulate the same situations in a LEAF and you won't even need to worry about about a fire you will be dead on impact. Do it in an ICE and you will get the same result. If you drive a Tesla you will see how incredibly accurate the range meter is and how much FUD is just that.
 
Everyone said I was daft to get a Tesla. but I got one all the same, just to show them. I'm actually on my 4th S. My first sank into the swamp and then caught fire. So I got a second. That sank in the swamp and caught fire, too. The third caught fire first, and then I pushed it over into the swamp for insurance fraud. But the fourth one hasn't caught fire. That's the one my son will inherit, even though it has capacity loss that Elon has hid from me.
 
EVDRIVER said:
Valdemar said:
Stoaty said:
The rated range shown is very accurate to how far I can drive at 65-70 MPH unlike the guess-o-meter. Hey, this ain't no stinkin' Leaf!

Like it or not but capacity loss happened, you just don't see it because Elon hid it well from you. As crappy as Leaf batteries are, at least we don't hear about a Leaf fire every 2-3 months.

Hid it, how? I had an S with 50K miles and the loss was completely insignificant. The car was driven in high temps and used SC almost exclusively even in the desert. The fires are nonsense FUD, you don't hear about LEAF fires because there are so few LEAFs out there and you can't drive one into a wall at 120 either. Emulate the same situations in a LEAF and you won't even need to worry about about a fire you will be dead on impact. Do it in an ICE and you will get the same result. If you drive a Tesla you will see how incredibly accurate the range meter is and how much FUD is just that.

The fact that user reported Tesla degradation is much lower than that the typical cell experiences from just sitting on a shelf w/no cycling simply indicates that the capacity losses are well buffered. I suppose that is all that matters for an end user but it is naive to believe and state there is no capacity loss. The buffer is likely sized to just get through the 8 year warranty (some 60kWh models had shorter warranty if memory serves, i.e. smaller buffer, also the fact Tesla refuses to extend original battery warranty on CPO purchases is a hint), with that it will be interesting to see how things pan out in the next couple of years after the first gen warranty expires. As for fires, yes I am skeptical it is a wide-spread issue with Tesla, but the fact Tesla is using more reactive chemistry in their cells is widely known, so there must be something to it.
 
Valdemar said:
EVDRIVER said:
Valdemar said:
Like it or not but capacity loss happened, you just don't see it because Elon hid it well from you. As crappy as Leaf batteries are, at least we don't hear about a Leaf fire every 2-3 months.

Hid it, how? I had an S with 50K miles and the loss was completely insignificant. The car was driven in high temps and used SC almost exclusively even in the desert. The fires are nonsense FUD, you don't hear about LEAF fires because there are so few LEAFs out there and you can't drive one into a wall at 120 either. Emulate the same situations in a LEAF and you won't even need to worry about about a fire you will be dead on impact. Do it in an ICE and you will get the same result. If you drive a Tesla you will see how incredibly accurate the range meter is and how much FUD is just that.

The fact that user reported Tesla degradation is much lower than that the typical cell experiences from just sitting on a shelf w/no cycling simply indicates that the capacity losses are well buffered. I suppose that is all that matters for an end user but it is naive to believe and state there is no capacity loss. The buffer is likely sized to just get through the 8 year warranty (some 60kWh models had shorter warranty if memory serves, i.e. smaller buffer, also the fact Tesla refuses to extend original battery warranty on CPO purchases is a hint), with that it will be interesting to see how things pan out in the next couple of years after the first gen warranty expires. As for fires, yes I am skeptical it is a wide-spread issue with Tesla, but the fact Tesla is using more reactive chemistry in their cells is widely known, so there must be something to it.

No one says there is no loss but it is very low in most cases. Buffering? Please explain how they do this because I can see my pack capacity and that did not happen it's not a Volt.
 
How can you see your pack true capacity? There is always an inaccessible portion of the battery capacity called a buffer, oversized initially. Capacity losses shrink the buffer first, then when the excess of the buffer is gone capacity losses must come from the user-accessible part of capacity that directly translates to reduced range. I always thought it was EV 101.
 
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