Many modern ICEVs can hardly make it to half that time before ending up in a junkyard, particularly if it has a CVT.smkettner wrote:I expect 20 years and 300,000 miles retaining 80% capacity before "lasts life of the car" statement is used.
Many modern ICEVs can hardly make it to half that time before ending up in a junkyard, particularly if it has a CVT.smkettner wrote:I expect 20 years and 300,000 miles retaining 80% capacity before "lasts life of the car" statement is used.
I would not buy those cars either.RonDawg wrote:Many modern ICEVs can hardly make it to half that time before ending up in a junkyard, particularly if it has a CVT.smkettner wrote:I expect 20 years and 300,000 miles retaining 80% capacity before "lasts life of the car" statement is used.
Why not 99 years and 5 billion miles retaining 99.99% of capacity? At minimum, of course.smkettner wrote:I expect 20 years and 300,000 miles retaining 80% capacity before "lasts life of the car" statement is used.
Or we might ask if a battery that far outlives the car is a realistic requirement. Might it be more economical to produce a battery that lasts just about a long as the rest of the car? Sometimes longer, sometimes not?Nubo wrote:Regular miles, or "Phoenix miles"(tm)?
Because I am just looking for something comparable.WetEV wrote:Why not 99 years and 5 billion miles retaining 99.99% of capacity? At minimum, of course.smkettner wrote:I expect 20 years and 300,000 miles retaining 80% capacity before "lasts life of the car" statement is used.
Comparable to what?smkettner wrote:Because I am just looking for something comparable.WetEV wrote:Why not 99 years and 5 billion miles retaining 99.99% of capacity? At minimum, of course.smkettner wrote:I expect 20 years and 300,000 miles retaining 80% capacity before "lasts life of the car" statement is used.
What is your point except to troll the issue?
He said a reliable ICE, which to him (and me) is 20 years and ~ 300k miles.WetEV wrote: Comparable to what?
Yes, the 2011 to early 2013 LEAF would be along the lines of 5 - 8 years or more. And of course, Nissan hasn't made any newer LEAFs since then, with improved chemistry and larger batteries. Right. Larger batteries will extend useful life, even if they lose capacity as the same percentage rate as a smaller battery.SageBrush wrote:He said a reliable ICE, which to him (and me) is 20 years and ~ 300k miles.WetEV wrote: Comparable to what?
That is what I expect from my Tesla.
A LEAF is more along the lines of 5 - 8 years although cool climates do better.
Nissan LEAF is rated at average reliability, however some years are higher and lower. 2016 is the worst, 2017, 2013 and 2011 are the best.CR wrote:Model X SUV. Filled with enough gee-whiz gizmos to give William Gibson a thrill, the X seemingly sacrifices practicality and pragmatism for the purpose of showboating.