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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:44 am

cwerdna wrote:^^^
Sage and Darth, at this point, I wouldn't bother responding to qwab. Looks like a spammer given what I pointed to at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 88#p545788.
Ahh ... thanks. :oops:
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:27 pm

Ditto. I had responded to his text w/o clicking the link and realizing what it was. :roll:
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:08 pm

Per IEVS, the Prime sold 1,123 in the U.S. in January, coming in second among PHEVs (and third overall, the Model 3 @ #1 with an est. 6,500) to the Clarity PHEV (1,192).
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Thu May 02, 2019 5:24 pm

ABG:
2020 Toyota Prius Prime adds fifth seat and Apple CarPlay
The fuel mileage remains the same, but the price increases slightly
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/02/202 ... ats-price/

There's a couple of other minor changes, such as a sun-visor extender.
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:31 am

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... ped-lineup - gaining the 5th seat is a big deal.

Over on Priuschat, we used to slam the gen 1 Volt for its 4 seats and inferior FE. When the gen 2 Volt came out, they sorta added a middle rear seat while boosting EV range + FE but on the plug-in Prius side, seat-wise, it went backwards to the Prime not having that middle rear seat.

I stumbled across http://www.cleanmpg.com/community/index ... 2F56478%2F via an FB post... ignoring the numbers there and not knowing the pricing situation, I went thru https://www.edmunds.com/toyota/prius-pr ... egacy=true and picked the cheapest Prime for my zip code and came to "Customer Cash Adjusted True Market Value" for $25,303. TrueCar claims the market average is $25,148.

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/taxevb.shtml mentions the Federal tax credit is still $4,502. For those in CA who don't make too much in $, they can get another $1000 CVRP (https://cleanvehiclerebate.org/eng/eligible-vehicles). Those in PG&E-land can get another $800 (https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/s ... icles.page). Two other utilities in CA provide EV/PHEV rebates (https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/rebates.aspx).

$25,303 (not including tax and license) - $4,502 - $1,000 - $800 = $19,001

I can kinda see why Prius Prime sales are still doing ok in the US. Volt (limited inventory left) and C-Max Energi are gone. Car's pretty cheap after the above incentives and it's a cheap way for CA folks to get a car that can qualify for CA HOV stickers w/o having EV range anxiety. https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do ... s&id=41489 shows 54 mpg combined which is pretty high. And, CA gas prices are averaging $3.59/gal for regular at the moment per https://gasprices.aaa.com/?state=CA.

I bet some of the Prius Primes will never or hardly be plugged in.

Was looking at https://www.cncda.org/wp-content/upload ... elease.pdf and see that for 2019 thru June, the top selling non-Tesla plug-in vehicle was the Prius Prime.

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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:09 am

I had hoped to get my housemate into a Prime soon, but with both of us having recently lost all confidence in the Prius ICE, it looks like the Prime, if considered at all, would be lease-only then turned in before the engine got old. It would probably make more financial sense for her - and make me happier - to just buy a new or late model EV.
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:16 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:09 am
I had hoped to get my housemate into a Prime soon, but with both of us having recently lost all confidence in the Prius ICE, it looks like the Prime, if considered at all, would be lease-only then turned in before the engine got old. It would probably make more financial sense for her - and make me happier - to just buy a new or late model EV.
Lost confidence in the Prius ICE :? Does your PIP use a different ICE than the regular Prius? at least the older ones('07) like we have. We've never had a speck of trouble with our Prius's ICE and as I've been checking lately to see what I'd get selling it, I oftentimes see Prius's with upper 100k's or even low 200k's for mileage. Ours only has low 100k's but unfortunately, I'm going to have to spend a fair chunk before I'd sell it. I noticed both rear springs/shocks cracked in several places this summer. The parts are <$150 on Amazon but I was quoted about $900 for the job at a local shop(not dealer). If I were younger and more nimble I'd DIY, a YouTube video said it wasn't too hard, but I think I'm getting too old to crawl under cars, especially something probably as physical as replacing springs. After doing this I'm also a bit worried the traction battery might fail, which is a $1000+ item to fix. Not that I've had any issue with the traction battery but I've been noticing a fair amount of used Prius's around the age of mine advertise a new or replacement traction battery.......probably a good sign mine might go soon.
I knew I should have followed my belief to sell vehicles when they get 10 years old, for sure would have saved me the $900 for the spring repair.
As for a replacement for it, nothing for sure. Was thinking about a Prime or it would be nice to get into a SUV and in that case the new RAV4 Prime is high on the list. Only worry about the RAV4 is timing, my guess is they won't really be available for general sale well into 2020 or even 2021 :( At this point I'm willing to wait until it comes out and I can sit in it and check pricing, if things look good I'd probably wait, otherwise maybe the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV or if I think I can do without the extra space of an SUV then the Prius Prime is probably my ticket.......I just have to hope my regular Prius can make it until then before having any more major issues(traction battery)......
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Re: 2017 Prius Prime PHEV

Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:51 pm

Apparently there are known issues with head gasket failures, with intake manifold gasket failures, and with clogged EGR systems that don't produce codes because Toyota didn't bother writing or implementing a code for EGR failure. The whole intake manifold was redesigned for 2013, IIRC. The labor is also so expensive that the least we can hope to spend is about $1800 for a new manifold gasket, installed - maybe a thousand if it's only a clogged EGR system. A new head gasket is about $3200 - at an independent shop, no less. And yes, it's the same ICE. It's the Gen III that is poorly designed, not the Gen II.
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