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Re: Bought a 2013 Leaf With Low Capacity

Sat May 04, 2019 9:39 pm

QC + LED package adds quick charge (CHAdeMO) inlet, fog lights and auto on/off LED headlights instead of the crap halogens (w/o auto).
Just to confuse things, my 2013 SV had no QC/LED package, but did have Auto headlights. I never used them. Now I use that feature all the time. So were the auto headlights standard, part of Premium Package, or...what?
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Re: Bought a 2013 Leaf With Low Capacity

Sat May 04, 2019 10:55 pm

danix wrote:I'm in the SF Bay Area.
Then you should not expect 1-2% a month. I would expect 5-6% a year maximum battery loss with the 1st Gen (defective) battery.
danix wrote: I still don't understand the bars, will have to read up on it (I get the concept, it's just not intuitive. What I thought were the bars including the red shows 8 bars, but it's the same now as when I left).
The 8 small bars indicate battery health. They will not change on a trip.
The large bars indicate battery charge and go down as you drive. When the large bars are empty, the car is "out of gas".
danix wrote: I'm hoping Nissan will do something for me but who knows, I doubt it.
Good luck, but don't get your hopes up.
danix wrote: Yeah, I regret this purchase.
Don't blame you. You have a few options:
1) sell the car
2) pay Nissan $8k for a new battery. It will NOT degrade like the one you have and it will come with a brand new 5yr 60kmi /8yr defects warranty. You will get approximately 75 miles range.
3) Find a wrecked Leaf with a good 24kWh battery pack and either swap the cells or the battery pack. If truly interested in this approach, send me a personal message. It is not for the faint of heart.
4) Sign up with Fenix Systems. It is a startup hoping to sell aftermarket Leaf batteries. They are taking deposits and may be great or may go bankrupt.
https://fenix.systems/
5) Drive the car for local trips only
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Re: Bought a 2013 Leaf With Low Capacity

Sun May 05, 2019 12:04 am

Lothsahn wrote:
danix wrote:I'm in the SF Bay Area.
Then you should not expect 1-2% a month. I would expect 5-6% a year maximum battery loss with the 1st Gen (defective) battery.
Depends on where. We have "microclimates" in the Bay Area and there's can be a HUGE variance in high temps depending on the city. See http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 24#p533224 (e.g. on a summer day, it can be only 62 F in SF but 111 F in Dublin, on another days it was 55 F in Pacifica while 100 F in Antioch which is a 58 mile drive away).

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Re: Bought a 2013 Leaf With Low Capacity

Sun May 05, 2019 12:05 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
QC + LED package adds quick charge (CHAdeMO) inlet, fog lights and auto on/off LED headlights instead of the crap halogens (w/o auto).
Just to confuse things, my 2013 SV had no QC/LED package, but did have Auto headlights. I never used them. Now I use that feature all the time. So were the auto headlights standard, part of Premium Package, or...what?
That is really bizarre.

My '13 SV w/both packages (QC + LED and premium) definitely had LED headlights and an auto position on the left stalk. My '13 SV w/premium only definitely has crap halogens and no auto headlight position.

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Re: Bought a 2013 Leaf With Low Capacity

Sun May 05, 2019 2:20 am

We've seen other production glitches, like an SV that came from the factory with a leather rear seat. Maybe they started to put the LED/QC package in mine, reread the order, and stopped with the headlight stalk and control box. I never thought twice about it until now.
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Re: Bought a 2013 Leaf With Low Capacity

Sun May 05, 2019 7:24 am

The car has automatic headlights (auto setting on stalk) but does not have LED headlights.
Wish the original monroney was with the car but it's not, and nothing else in the car refers to the model besides the extended warranty paperwork, which calls it an S. So, sounds like the conclusion is it's an S with Premium.

I'll probably take it to the Nissan dealer on Monday for an inspection and see what they say and recommend.

I could simply flip it to someone, even at the same price, but that's considered "curbstoning" and technically illegal in CA, though it happens all the time. If I register it, pay CA the almost 10% in taxes,the next buyer will have to do the same, pay tax again, and will not be eligible for the transfer of the two warranties.

Yes, I'm in the east bay near Walnut Creek where we get extremes of 30 degrees in winter and 110 in summer.

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Re: Bought a 2013 Leaf With Low Capacity

Sun May 05, 2019 7:25 am

cwerdna wrote:it can be only 62 F in SF but 111 F in Dublin, on another days it was 55 F in Pacifica while 100 F in Antioch which is a 58 mile drive away).
Holy cow!!!! I thought the whole bay area had "nice weather". That's what us outsiders hear, at least.
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Re: Bought a 2013 Leaf With Low Capacity

Sun May 05, 2019 8:52 am

danix wrote: I'll probably take it to the Nissan dealer on Monday for an inspection and see what they say and recommend.
Nothing wasted other than your time.

I'm sure you have had enough bad news but when you consider car range in the pitch to your children remember to include a safety reserve at the bottom of the battery. I use 10 - 15 miles, so about 4 kWh. A kWh is equal to about 3 Ahr in the LEAF and the car reserves about 5 Ahr of the nominal battery capacity to prevent battery damage. The accounting then works out like this:

40 Ahr nominal (from LS)
(5) Ahr reserved by the battery
(12) Ahr voluntary reserve to avoid calls that the car is stuck on the side of the road
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Net 23 Ahr usable, or about 8 kWh
A lead foot would use that up in about 25 miles, or less if A/C is on.
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03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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Re: Bought a 2013 Leaf With Low Capacity

Sun May 05, 2019 12:41 pm

The car has automatic headlights (auto setting on stalk) but does not have LED headlights.
Wish the original monroney was with the car but it's not, and nothing else in the car refers to the model besides the extended warranty paperwork, which calls it an S. So, sounds like the conclusion is it's an S with Premium.
The S has fewer options available. You have an SV with Premium Package and the Charge Package, which includes LED low beams only. The highbeams are still halogen. Inflating your tires to 40-42psi will help increase range, as will turning the heat on only as needed. At least you have the heat pump "hybrid" heating system. The A/C only costs about 2 miles of range if not blasted.
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Re: Bought a 2013 Leaf With Low Capacity

Sun May 05, 2019 3:32 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
The car has automatic headlights (auto setting on stalk) but does not have LED headlights.
Wish the original monroney was with the car but it's not, and nothing else in the car refers to the model besides the extended warranty paperwork, which calls it an S. So, sounds like the conclusion is it's an S with Premium.
The S has fewer options available. You have an SV with Premium Package and the Charge Package, which includes LED high beams only. The low beams are still halogen. .
To be clear, on the '13 SV, the possible packages are these (from bottom of specs tab of https://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/usa ... -press-kit):
"Premium Package: Around View® Monitor, Bose® 7-speaker audio system" and
"LED Headlights + Quick Charge Port: LED headlights, auto on/off headlights, fog lights, quick charge port" - On this, the low beams are LED. IIRC, the high beams are still halogen.

The only possible package on the S is:
"Charge Package: 6.6 kW onboard charger (6 kW output), quick charge port, RearView Monitor" -- S retains the halogen headlights, regardless.

Unfortunately, since the OP is in a hotter part of the SF Bay Area (Walnut Creek and Concord get quite hot in the summer), that's not good news given the degradation already there and the crappy chemistry the car has. :( Unless the OP's range needs are limited, OP would be better served getting a minimally degraded '15 (with more heat resistant "lizard" pack) or an earlier car with lizard pack installed or a car w/battery thermal management.

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