With non-answers.OrientExpress said:No I’m answering your questions despite your ignorance of the topic.
I'll ask again:
Why are tax credits not included ?
Why are fuel savings not included ?
With non-answers.OrientExpress said:No I’m answering your questions despite your ignorance of the topic.
SageBrush said:With non-answers.OrientExpress said:No I’m answering your questions despite your ignorance of the topic.
I'll ask again:
Why are tax credits not included ?
Why are fuel savings not included ?
OrientExpress said:SageBrush said:With non-answers.OrientExpress said:No I’m answering your questions despite your ignorance of the topic.
I'll ask again:
Why are tax credits not included ?
Why are fuel savings not included ?
Ok my clueless friend, tax credits are not included because they are a temporary entitlement, and fuel savings are irrelevant to this measure’s definition.
Who do you think you are fooling ?
OrientExpress said:I have a nine year old GTI that routinely gets 425-450 miles to a tank, so it’s not unreasonable to demand a BEV to do the same.
I have to disagree that BEV travel is like road trips from the 50s. I now have a Tesla model 3 and after 11,000 miles I find it a modern highway cruiser. The battery easily outlasts my bladder and the Tesla Superchargers have not let me down.OrientExpress said:"Very balanced article. The writer is obviously an EV advocate and LEAF fan but she does not gloss over the limitations that come with tripping an EV without a TMS.
The only issue here is that the situation that the author dwells on and makes the central thesis of the article (Slow than desired charging) is essentially limited to less than a thousand LEAFs in the US, and of that universe there is probably less than 10% that would ever be in this situation.
The other issue that I see is the obsessive dwelling on battery temperature on the 2018 cars. The arguments are based on assumptions from earlier versions of the LEAF regarding the 18s LEAF battery durability and its normal operating temperature. A quick scan of the owners manual would clear that up.
The real story is that long-distance travel for any BEV, TMS or non-TMS equipped, is still just like road trips from the 1950s and 60s. Road trips from that era and for modern BEVs is slow and full of surprises.
If you don't have the discipline and patience that is required for the pitfalls of this sort long distance travel in a BEV, then stop whining about it. This same story has been repeated ad nauseam by Tesla, BMW, Kia, Bolt owners since BEVs started their resurgence this decade. It's always the vehicles fault that the trip is a real pain.
Having poor judgement, being impatient and not taking responsibility for one's actions is not a vehicle defect.
Is 1% of Tesla Model 3 owners "many" ?OrientExpress said:Thanks for your observations. Many of your fellow Tesla Drivers do not share them, but some do.
jbuntz said:The battery easily outlasts my bladder and the Tesla Superchargers have not let me down.
Generally (at least my experience with 50+ SuC locations across the NorthEast), SuC do not have their own facilities, but are are located near restrooms and other facilities. The restrooms might be anywhere from a 1-5 minute walk away. It really varies from SuC location to location.Lothsahn said:As a non-Tesla owner, I was wondering... do the supercharger stations all have restrooms or food nearby? As a family, we frequently drive cross country (900 miles), so while the supercharger rate is fast, the ability to eat or use the restroom while charging is essential. How do you handle that?
For this we usually use PlugShare, since that has a superset of all the data.Lothsahn said:Also, how many hotels do you see with adequate L2 charging? We typically take one stop along the way, which means that charging overnight at the hotel would be key.
OrientExpress said:Thanks for your observations. Many of your fellow Tesla Drivers do not share them, but some do.
jbuntz said:Here is an example of how a BEV road trip should be.
OrientExpress said:jbuntz said:Here is an example of how a BEV road trip should be.
I've done that trip like this one many times over the years, almost all interstates, set the cruise control and watch the scenery fly by. I find it interesting that today the definition of a road trip is just that, driving the Interstate system.
You won't find many BEV road trip stories that use state, or US business route highways and secondary roads to take a classic road trip, simply because it really isn't for the faint of heart.
A real road trip is where if you see something interesting, you can just pull over, (or just stop in the middle of the road) and check it out. Perhaps someday, but not today.
How many do you want ?Lothsahn said:Also, how many hotels do you see with adequate L2 charging? We typically take one stop along the way, which means that charging overnight at the hotel would be key.
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