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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:55 am

I'm not sure how true this is. But apparently VW has spent much more on it's own electric vehicle research and development than what it has in fines over dieselgate. At least according to:

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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:42 am

It is not true in the least. The big numbers come from a MOA related to future battery purchases.
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:28 pm

GCR:
German prosecutors find collusion between automakers over diesel emissions
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... -emissions
.. . On Friday, anti-trust regulators for the European Union charged BMW, Daimler, and Volkswagen with colluding to block the introduction of effective diesel and gasoline emissions technology.

Two years ago, European Union officials raided the offices of all three automakers looking for evidence of such collusion after tests in the U.S. and Europe showed that diesels produced by the company (as well as, later, in Jeeps and Ram trucks produced by Fiat Chrysler), emitted as much as 40 times the allowable limits of nitrogen oxides when driven on the roads. . . . .

In letters to the three automakers, officials alleged that the collusion took place during technical meetings of the "circle of five" German automakers, including Volkswagen divisions Porsche and Audi, between 2006 and 2014, according to a Reuters report.

“Daimler, VW, and BMW may have broken EU competition rules. As a result, European consumers may have been denied the opportunity to buy cars with the best available technology,” said European Competition Commissioner Margrethe Vestager in a statement to the press.

The charges are focused on the automakers' use of selective catalytic reduction systems, or urea injection, as well as "Otto" particulate filters for gas-powered cars. . . .

Volkswagen has already paid $1.2 billion in fines in Germany over its diesel emissions shortfalls. BMW and Daimler have paid $9.5 million. All three automakers have shifted their focus from developing new diesels to spending billions of dollars to develop electric cars and build up supplies of batteries to power them.

EU regulators said the new charges are not related to emissions cheat devices. but to failing to offer the latest, most effective emissions reduction technologies to European consumers (for both gas and diesel engines.)

Volkswagen and BMW each face hefty additional fines related to the charges. BMW set aside $1.1 billion to cover possible fines, but told Reuters it will fight the charges by every legal means available. Volkswagen has not responded to the charges, saying it needed time to review them. Daimler does not expect to be fined, because it alerted authorities to the alleged collusion.
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:15 pm

ABG:
VW former CEO Martin Winterkorn charged with fraud in diesel scandal
He and four others could face prison, forfeit millions of dollars
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/04/15/vw- ... ud-diesel/
German prosecutors have indicted former Volkswagen CEO Martin Winterkorn and four others on charges of fraud and unfair competition, saying he failed to prevent the manipulation of engine software that let Volkswagen cars cheat on diesel emission tests.

Prosecutors in Braunschweig said Monday that Winterkorn knew about the deceptive software since at least May 25, 2014, despite his public statements he only became aware of the issue shortly before the scandal broke in September 2015.

The prosecutors said the defendants — all of them top Volkswagen managers — were part of an ongoing deception that started in 2006. . . .

The prosecutors say that the defendants added a software update costing 23 million euros in 2014 in an attempt to cover up the true reason for the elevated pollution emissions during regular driving.

Winterkorn and the others face from six months to 10 years imprisonment if convicted on charges of aggravated fraud involving serious losses. Bonuses collected due to sales based on the deception could be forfeited. Prosecutors said bonus that could be forfeited ranged from around 300,000 euros to 11 million euros ($340,000 to $12.45 million). . . .
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Mon May 13, 2019 4:57 pm

GCR:
Porsche fined $600 million in Germany over dirty diesels
https://www2.greencarreports.com/news/1 ... ty-diesels
German regulators Tuesday hit Porsche with a $600 million (535 million euro) fine, for its role in selling cars powered by diesel engines designed by Audi that failed to comply with European emissions requirements.

The cars, including the Cayenne and Panamera, used a 3.0-liter diesel V-6, exceeded European emissions standards for oxides of nitrogen, which contribute to smog.

An investigation the regulators conducted found that Porsche employees turned a blind eye to the emissions cheating starting in 2009. In a release announcing the fine, Porsche emphasized that investigators found the negligence "several levels below" executive positions.

The fine represents the last action against Porsche, and one of the last against VW, to close out the legal repercussions of the larger VW emissions cheating scandal. In September, Porsche announced that it will stop selling diesels altogether as it focuses on developing and selling new electric models such as the new Taycan electric performance sedan due out late this year. . . .
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:07 pm

VW's Pike's Peak car did a lap around Nürburgring.

Volkswagen I.D. R

6:05.336

Air cooled battery.

919 Evo Porsche is the only car faster, at an amazing 5:19.546

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iZY5IMn0wg
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:15 pm

WetEV wrote: Air cooled battery.
Luckily they have weeks between use to let it cool down :lol:
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:35 pm

What does this have to do with Dieselgate? There must be some other topic this would better fit in, or else start one.
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:55 pm

GRA wrote:What does this have to do with Dieselgate? There must be some other topic this would better fit in, or else start one.
VW is trying to recover from Dieselgate by promoting and maybe even selling EVs.
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:56 pm

SageBrush wrote:
WetEV wrote: Air cooled battery.
Luckily they have weeks between use to let it cool down :lol:
The VW ID R does multiple runs per day.

A Tesla Model S can't do one full speed lap without overheating.
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