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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Tue May 14, 2019 3:12 pm

EatsShootsandLeafs wrote:
GRA wrote:
EatsShootsandLeafs wrote:He can no more do that than a dog can be trained to guard a pork roast. Insofar as it is possible to diagnose a medical disorder from afar it's clear he has narcissistic personality disorder. His behavior of ties in nicely with that. Even if he apologizes he wheels it back because it simply, viscerally, does not sit well with him to admit he was wrong.
I disagree to a considerable extent. He's been willing to say he's been an idiot or similar on several occasions, and we have a very obvious example of narcissistic personality disorder on public display on a daily if not hourly basis to compare Elon to, which makes the comparison easy. Whether Elon's willing to sincerely apologize is another matter, but while I have no doubt he's got a big ego, I don't see any evidence of a major personality disorder such as you suggest.

Meanwhile, spotted a political bumper sticker (on a Niro HEV) which pretty much sums up my attitude at the moment: https://www.canvasfreaks.com/products/a ... gKf8fD_BwE
He doesn't even dispute it:
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/101 ... 44?lang=en

His self-destructive behavior on twitter with the pedo diver speaks for itself.

As for admitting fault he has been wrong dozens and dozens of times and on a mere handful can we count the times he's truly admitted it. Making wilder claims is also symptomatic of his personality problems. These things recently about FSD and appreciating cars are thoroughly indefensible and he's being roundly mocked for them, yet keeps doubling down on it.
We know he's a visionary/salesman, and his predictions of schedules are very optimistic. He may or may not be a narcissist, but as he points out in your link, if he is he's a useful one, unlike the other major public figure who routinely makes hyperbolic statements that bear no relation to reality, who is completely incapable of making fun of himself, and who from my layman's perspective looks like a textbook case of NPD.

So, while Elon often makes excessively optimistic and sometimes extremely unlikely claims, he's delivered on enough of them (albeit usually late) that he has some reason to have a big ego, although he's largely destroyed his own/Tesla's credibility over schedules and some other matters while making them.

I don't know about you, but most people don't like to apologize even when they know they're in the wrong. Last year's behavior was definitely counter-productive, but then I've never been under the kind of workload and pressure he was and self-medicating to get through it, so I'm not prepared to say I'd do better. That's the main problem I've been seeing for a long time - he spreads himself too thinly, plus he's an entrepreneurial personality, and they tend to be the wrong person to lead a company into maturity. We can only hope that the recent agreement with the SEC will put an adequate muzzle on him at least for corporate issues, and hopefully they will get someone else to run the company day to day so he can do what he does best, look at the big picture.
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Tue May 14, 2019 9:43 pm

I coserder GRA a spammer he FAVORS hydsregon b\baaed cares like the Toyota based MIE dispute its poor reveres. He does not own any car and-he hates BEVS"s he id an enemy sand I feel banning him was the right choice.
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Tue May 14, 2019 10:20 pm

GlennD wrote:I coserder GRA a spammer he FAVORS hydsregon b\baaed cares like the Toyota based MIE dispute its poor reveres. He does not own any car and-he hates BEVS"s he id an enemy sand I feel banning him was the right choice.
Please proofread that post and try to make it more intelligible. I don't favor banning anyone for their views, only for their behavior.
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Wed May 15, 2019 12:49 am

^^^
I'm in no way in favor of banning GRA. That said, I do find it very puzzling he spends so much time here yet still has not leased nor bought an EV or PHEV. :? We've discussed this a bunch of times already some I'm not sure we need to re-"litigate" that.

There numerous competent to great EVs and PHEVs in CA, used EVs (like Leafs) available for cheap, Bolts being heavily discounted and at least new Teslas are affordable now w/their awesome SC network.

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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Wed May 15, 2019 1:21 am

Maybe he will consider doing less arguing in the Tesla topics. His news reposts are often worthwhile.
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Wed May 15, 2019 4:45 pm

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cwerdna wrote:^^^
I'm in no way in favor of banning GRA. That said, I do find it very puzzling he spends so much time here yet still has not leased nor bought an EV or PHEV. :? We've discussed this a bunch of times already some I'm not sure we need to re-"litigate" that.
There isn't any need to re-litigate it, but as I've explained to you numerous times that current BEVs and their infrastructure simply don't meet my requirements for a car yet (400-3,000 mile road-trips almost entirely, to remote areas with little/no charging infrastructure so long range & fast charging needed, AWD, wagon/CUV body long enough to sleep in stretched out, mass-market priced, long-term ownership so battery longevity of at least 12 years but 15+ preferred, are some of my major requirements), and PHEVs, while able to get me where I want to go, are no more suitable for my needs than a more efficient HEV while using more gas on my typical trip, as well as more expensive and currently too limited in choice. As I don't have any wish to buy another fossil-fueled car, I will keep my current ICE and use it as little and as efficiently as possible until I can switch to a ZEV, while staying aware of developments via this and other EV forums.

Having re-hashed all the above again, I'm puzzled by your continued puzzlement. I don't know how I can explain my situation any more completely, but will make another attempt - BEVs right now are best suited for routine daily driving, and I've been using a ZEV for that for almost two decades, one that weighs 30 lb. rather than 3-6,000 and costs just a fraction of any BEV to both buy and operate, as well as being better for my health and reducing congestion for everyone else. If all the above hasn't answered your questions about why I choose not to buy or lease a PEV yet, feel free to PM me.
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Wed May 15, 2019 4:52 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:Maybe he will consider doing less arguing in the Tesla topics. His news reposts are often worthwhile.
It's those news reposts that GlennD considers spam. But, as he's had me on his ignore list for some time, he's taken the recommended action to avoid wasting his time reading them, which is just what anyone who feels the same should do.

As to eliminating endlessly repeated argument cycles by the same posters, if you did that internet traffic would drop to almost nothing, and then what would happen to advertising revenues? :lol:
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Wed May 15, 2019 4:55 pm

GRA wrote:OT
cwerdna wrote:^^^
I'm in no way in favor of banning GRA. That said, I do find it very puzzling he spends so much time here yet still has not leased nor bought an EV or PHEV. :? We've discussed this a bunch of times already some I'm not sure we need to re-"litigate" that.
There isn't any need to re-litigate it, but as I've explained to you numerous times that current BEVs and their infrastructure simply don't meet my requirements for a car yet (400-3,000 mile road-trips almost entirely, to remote areas with little/no charging infrastructure so long range & fast charging needed, AWD, wagon/CUV body long enough to sleep in stretched out, mass-market priced, long-term ownership so battery longevity necessary are some of my major requirements), and PHEVs, while able to get me where I want to go, are no more suitable for my needs than a more efficient HEV while using more gas on my typical trip, as well as more expensive and currently too limited in choice. As I don't have any wish to buy another fossil-fueled car, I will keep my current ICE and use it as little and as efficiently as possible until I can switch to a ZEV, while staying aware of developments via this and other EV forums.

Having re-hashed all the above again, I'm puzzled by your continued puzzlement. I don't know how I can explain my situation any more completely, but will make one more attempt - BEVs right now are best suited for routine daily driving, and I've been using a ZEV for that for almost two decades, one that weighs 30 lb. rather than 3-6,000 and costs just a fraction of any BEV to both buy and operate, as well as being better for my health and reducing congestion for everyone else. If all the above hasn't answered your questions about why I choose not to buy or lease a PEV for now, feel free to PM me.
Let me help- this is the MY Nissan LEAF forum. How many EV and car threads do you post on regularly? How about the Subaru threads? You must type all day long:) Right? I think that is the puzzlement part. I don't think you should be banned off this site but I do however think that there is another other individual here that is close based on their posting history which is very singular in nature and "Ed" like.

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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Wed May 15, 2019 5:32 pm

EVDRIVER wrote: Let me help- this is the MY Nissan LEAF forum. Does that give you any direction? How many EV and car threads do you post on regularly? How about the Subaru threads? You must type all day long.. Right?
Why, yes, this is the Mynissanleaf forum, but of course it covers many other topics both LEAF and Non-LEAF related, and I post on numerous topics as well as reposting info from other forums that may be of interest here. While it's no longer the central clearing house for PEV info it once was, for many of us who've been here a while it's still the most common go to, although we often read-post on other EV forums as well.
Let's see, what topics have I made one or more posts in here this week?: ( ) = I started informational topic this week by reposting info from other forums. [ ] = may include info reposted from other forums and/or my own comments.

[TSLA Corporate Outlook]
[Electrify America Network]
(Conway and Korman, The Dentist Skit (R.I.P. Tim))
[Official Tesla Model 3 Thread]
(GCC: DOE: plug-in vehicles in US displaced 323M gallons of gasoline in 2018; ~0.25%)
[Kia Niro BEV]
(GCC: Study finds ride-sharing companies biggest contributors to growing traffic congestion in San Francisco)
(GCC: NOAA study finds little evidence for large increases in total US methane emissions over the past decade)
[Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread]
[Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme]
(GCR: EVgo fast-charge network commits to 100% renewable power)
(GCR: AAA survey finds more optimism over self-driving cars than in EVs)
(IEVS: Passenger Plug-In EV Car Sales In Europe In Q1 2019 By Country)
[AFV Truck/Commercial Vehicle and (non-BEV) Bus thread]
[Tesla's autopilot, on the road]
(GCC: Study finds ride-sharing companies biggest contributors to growing traffic congestion in San Francisco)

So, that's 16 topics this week, some of which have multiple posts, and besides the one OT topic about Tim Conway all are EV or environmentally related and put in the appropriate sub-forums. 11 I started by reposting info from other sources. As you can see, my interests are catholic. Anyone who finds most of these to be a waste of their time should just do what GlennD did, and "ignore" me. As for how much time I spend doing this, as it's a hobby/interest, I normally limit myself to two or three hours a day within a range of zero to six depending on what else I'm doing.
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Re: TSLA corporate outlook

Thu May 16, 2019 2:11 am

Tesla communications chief is leaving the automaker
https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/15/tesla ... automaker/

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