DougWantsALeaf
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:33 pm

Finally got the E+ SV

+Tech and weather package and a few things like carpets.

$38,430 + tax (essentially 31k after federal rebate) about 2k under invoice.

A substantially better equipped car then the 35k or 40k Tesla 3, and a bit cheaper with longer range. The semi autonomous driving is great.

Though it will come down, the range read 311 miles when picked up.
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:28 pm

Congrats.

DougWantsALeaf wrote:Finally got the E+ SV

+Tech and weather package and a few things like carpets.

$38,430 + tax (essentially 31k after federal rebate) about 2k under invoice.

A substantially better equipped car then the 35k or 40k Tesla 3, and a bit cheaper with longer range...
No on longer range. I paid $37k for my Model 3 SR+ a few months ago and it has more range than the E+ (SR+ 240 miles EPA vs. E+ 226 miles EPA).

True, since we get only half the federal tax credit, the final price is a bit higher. But this is our primary vehicle, so supercharging, though not a requirement, is a big plus. We go to visit family in SoCal in a few weeks and will put on >1200 miles round trip. This would be a PITA with our current 30kWh Leaf, very soon to have 40kWh Leaf, or even an E+.

Still good to have options, and one size does not fit all...

Going to pickup our secondary vehicle, my wife's newest daily driver, a 2019 40kWh Leaf SV on lease in a few hours.
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:31 pm

Yeah, we are heavy sams club/Costco shoppers so we didn’t think it the 3 was going to do the jobs with 3 kids in the back and paper towel/tp runs.

No doubt it’s cool. The tech is certainly a bit better. Interesting, my boss has a 3 and an X 85. She tells me she is only getting about 190 miles on a charge on the X. She says the 3 long range does much better, upper 200s or 300 with gentle driving.

Alex onAutos did a petty level comparison on the 3 standard+ vs leaf vs Kona/niro range, and the leaf + was between the 3 and the Niro/Kona.

1 Day in, we have 70 miles on the car, about 60% freeway, and dash still showing 73% and 211 miles in the tank. Admittedly, it’s 73 degrees in Chicago today, so only some light AC beyond perfect efficiency weather.

Enjoy your car. It’s amazing how going from the 80 mile range on our 2013 to the new 62kW e+ makes you not even think about range any more.
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:42 pm

Newbie here with first EV. Just purchased a used certified 2019 Leaf SV with 85 miles for $20K before taxes in a California dealership. Could you kindly help me understand if this a good/OK deal?

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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:47 pm

^^^
It's too late now. Not sure that it's that great a deal, esp. if you qualified for $2500 CVRP (https://cleanvehiclerebate.org/eng/elig ... guidelines) and could qualify for the entire $7500 Federal tax credit. I don't know the going price for 40 kWh '19 Leaf SV but MSRP (https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releas ... -press-kit under Pricing) which nobody should is $32,600, so take $10K off that. Take off some more $ given that there's no way they're selling for MSRP.

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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:49 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:Finally got the E+ SV

+Tech and weather package and a few things like carpets.

$38,430 + tax (essentially 31k after federal rebate) about 2k under invoice.

A substantially better equipped car then the 35k or 40k Tesla 3, and a bit cheaper with longer range. The semi autonomous driving is great.

Though it will come down, the range read 311 miles when picked up.
Sounds very, very nice, so a big congrats! But did you really mean 311 for mileage? I thought range was more in the 220’s or so.
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:05 am

311 was the guess o meter from the factory (we ordered the car).

300+ miles on a charge is certainly possible in good weather, but only with very careful driving at slower speeds and gentle acceleration. You have to keep the car above 5 miles per kWh.

I plan to do a test in a couple weeks driving the car from north side of Chicago to Iowa city all hwy. Will report back how capable the car is post that trip.
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:31 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:311 was the guess o meter from the factory (we ordered the car).

300+ miles on a charge is certainly possible in good weather, but only with very careful driving at slower speeds and gentle acceleration. You have to keep the car above 5 miles per kWh.

I plan to do a test in a couple weeks driving the car from north side of Chicago to Iowa city all hwy. Will report back how capable the car is post that trip.
That would be amazing, and wonderful indeed. For me, 300+ miles of range was the minimum for an EV to be an ICE replacement, and I’ve spoken to others at EV meets who feel similarly. As that number becomes standard by more and more EV’s, I think the next hurdle will be 300+ miles in all weather conditions, especially winter rain and snow including heat. That would imply a likely 400-mile range in more average conditions, maybe more.
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:21 am

300 miles is at the early summer country roads at with a very gentle foot and limited additional weight scenario for the leaf plus. Short of living in Northern California or North Carolina, it would be difficult to do year round.

While I don’t consider myself a hyper miler, I am also at the 55mph limit on the hwy not the 70 that most do and I try to coast and time lights when not holding up traffic.

I think 100kWh (350-500 mile range) is where we will hit the magic trade off of diminishing returns to have a bigger battery vs cost/weight, so guessing in 3-4 years everyone settles there, except for trucks and sport cars.
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:04 am

Iplug,

The other hesitation I have with the 3 is repair costs. TFL (thrifty 3) has a good piece on some of the challenges. Guessing it will quickly mature in next 2-3 years, but 10k to repair a tail light and dented bumper, ouch. Guess this is an extreme example, and maybe less of an issue in CA, but still ouch.

https://www.tflcar.com/2019/06/the-nigh ... y-3-ep-11/
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