Your post is a series of straw men and logical fallacy.powersurge said:Isn't it amazing ...
No rebuttal needed.
Your post is a series of straw men and logical fallacy.powersurge said:Isn't it amazing ...
SageBrush said:Your post is a series of straw men and logical fallacy.powersurge said:Isn't it amazing ...
No rebuttal needed.
Don't know anyone that lived in Paradise, eh?powersurge said:The truth is that no one actually knows anyone who is dying or having a life-changing event as a result of too much carbon in the air.
powersurge said:SageBrush said:Your post is a series of straw men and logical fallacy.powersurge said:Isn't it amazing ...
No rebuttal needed.
I appreciate that you responded and tallied your difference of opinion to my post.
However, whenever there are challenges to the "climate change" ideology, I never hear facts included to the rebuttal... The truth is that no one actually knows anyone who is dying or having a life-changing event as a result of too much carbon in the air.
The best that anyone who believes in climate change can do is "believe" that the scientists they hear about (indirectly) are correct. Another term for "believing" in something they cannot prove is called "trust"... Or should I say.... FAITH.... Which is the term for a religion. I have my religion, I do not need carbon emissions to be an additional religion.
Well said !roussir said:It is a huge sleight of the hand, from trust to faith. I trust scientists, because they have verifiable evidence, repeatable results and self-correcting mechanism. Faith has nothing; you have nothing, besides rhetoric. Based on this faulty logic, you we take it on faith that the planet is round. This is an indication of a substantial gap in one's education.
It helps to live near an ocean.SageBrush said:Well said !roussir said:It is a huge sleight of the hand, from trust to faith. I trust scientists, because they have verifiable evidence, repeatable results and self-correcting mechanism. Faith has nothing; you have nothing, besides rhetoric. Based on this faulty logic, you we take it on faith that the planet is round. This is an indication of a substantial gap in one's education.
Since no one wants to discuss the OP I'll go off on a tangent and mention that not too long ago I asked myself and then my wife if either of us could reasonably prove to ourselves that the Earth is round (other than staring at photographs )
Common sense and simple reasoning tells us that it is so but any attempt at rigor is not that easy. I realized that an overwhelming fraction of what we take as correct and true for the natural world has been fed to us as facts that we do not question and cannot prove. So what is a student of science and the scientific method to do ?
SageBrush said:...not too long ago I asked myself and then my wife if either of us could reasonably prove to ourselves that the Earth is round (other than staring at photographs )
Common sense and simple reasoning tells us that it is so but any attempt at rigor is not that easy. I realized that an overwhelming fraction of what we take as correct and true for the natural world has been fed to us as facts that we do not question and cannot prove. So what is a student of science and the scientific method to do ?
You misunderstand.powersurge said:I appreciate that you responded and tallied your difference of opinion to my post.
You are starting with some assumptions about the sun, namely that it stays in the same place and that it far enough way to shine parallel light on to the earth.Nubo said:Go 50 miles east and she goes 50 miles west. You both drive a measured stake into the ground, plumb, so that you have exactly 1 yard long above the ground. You both measure the shadow cast at the same time (length and direction). Wait an hour and repeat. Try it again but orient yourselves on a north-south line. The more data points you collect the clearer it will become that you're living on a ball. You can even calculate a reasonable diameter for that ball.
SageBrush said:You are starting with some assumptions about the sun, namely that it stays in the same place and that it far enough way to shine parallel light on to the earth.Nubo said:Go 50 miles east and she goes 50 miles west. You both drive a measured stake into the ground, plumb, so that you have exactly 1 yard long above the ground. You both measure the shadow cast at the same time (length and direction). Wait an hour and repeat. Try it again but orient yourselves on a north-south line. The more data points you collect the clearer it will become that you're living on a ball. You can even calculate a reasonable diameter for that ball.
A test with 3 people is a better argument, but how many people can come up with that on their own ?
One Greek did.Nubo said:SageBrush said:A test with 3 people is a better argument, but how many people can come up with that on their own ?
The Greeks did, thousands of years ago.
powersurge said:I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion.
powersurge said:My basic opposition is the idea to use current money and resources for a long term cause when our country has so many more present day challenges.
johnlocke said:Taxes on gasoline were supposed to be used to fund road repairs. How did that work out?
Ahh ... so your extra $10 a month not spent on clean energy is directed to what national challenge specifically ?powersurge said:My basic opposition is the idea to use current money and resources for a long term cause when our country has so many more present day challenges.
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