Is that actual consumption or net consumption after solar PV?SageBrush said:We have two EVs and our home. For the past 6 months consumption has varied between 330 and 550 kWh a month.
wwhitney said:Remember, Berkeley's policy only applies to new buildings. New buildings should last at least 50 years. So given the current climate situation, do you want to lock in 50 years of on-site natural gas consumption? Do you want to invest in expanding the natural gas distribution system? Or do you want to invest in expanding the electrical distribution system, which will hopefully be decarbonized over that 50 year time span?
Cheers, Wayne
I expect practically all existing buildings here in Berkeley have gas lines already. And you can add to your gas piping within an existing building, e.g. for a new appliance. The prohibition starts next year, and applies only to gas distribution within a new building.Tortoisehead77 said:So, if I have an existing building in Berkeley I can add a gas line? I’m not so sure about that.
Actual. Net after PV is considerably below zero but I end up ~ net zero after I factor in NG consumptioniPlug said:Is that actual consumption or net consumption after solar PV?SageBrush said:We have two EVs and our home. For the past 6 months consumption has varied between 330 and 550 kWh a month.
iPlug said:Is that actual consumption or net consumption after solar PV?
Very nice.SageBrush said:Actual. Net after PV is considerably below zero but I end up ~ net zero after I factor in NG consumption
Tortoisehead77 said:Replacement electricity for the above will come from NG and renewables, both of which are cheaper than coal now. As the share of renewables increase, NG will decrease.Tortoisehead77 said:I still don’t like the idea because it’s a “poor people be damned” ideology. Also, natural gas will still be burned by power plants, but energy will be lost through transmission...Instead of burning it at the home. Berkeley won’t be gas free.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/busines...ties-poised-to-follow-Berkeley-s-14342117.phpBay Area cities poised to follow Berkeley’s natural gas ban
Oilpan4 said:Yup they want to limit choice, monopolize and then gouge.
Basic capitalism.
I'm surprised just about everyone seems complicit even looking forward to be perfectly set up to get completely screwed.
Oilpan4 said:Yup they want to limit choice, monopolize and then gouge.
Basic capitalism.
I'm surprised just about everyone seems complicit even looking forward to be perfectly set up to get completely screwed.
As usual you have no idea what you are blabbing about.Oilpan4 said:Enron a perfect example of limited or removal of choice, monopolize and gouge.
NM has lightly regulated electricity and our prices are consistent one of the 5 cheapest in the nation.
SageBrush said:As usual you have no idea what you are blabbing about.Oilpan4 said:Enron a perfect example of limited or removal of choice, monopolize and gouge.
NM has lightly regulated electricity and our prices are consistent one of the 5 cheapest in the nation.
Enron was able to exist once CA deregulated. The price jumps occurred due to manipulation of the markets, in concert with key transmission and generation operators.
That's exactly what I said.SageBrush said:Enron was able to exist once CA deregulated. The price jumps occurred due to manipulation of the markets, in concert with key transmission and generation operators.
As for NM, utilities do not do *anything* without the approval and consent of the state regulatory authority. Who do you think authorizes the transition to clean energy in the state ?
.Oilpan4 said:That's exactly what I said.SageBrush said:Enron was able to exist once CA deregulated. The price jumps occurred due to manipulation of the markets, in concert with key transmission and generation operators.
That is not what happened. Enron defrauded and manipulated a deregulated system.Enron a perfect example of limited or removal of choice, monopolize and gouge.
Would I give them up to save the world? Probably. But don't deny the fact that gas has advantages. Almost everyone I know who has had a electric and gas range in their life prefers gas. Its just a better way to cook. Good luck fire roasting peppers on an electric stove!
Interesting, my experiences have been very different.danrjones said:I've found a gas drier or water heater are much faster. I've had both.
Induction is superior to gas in almost every way. I’ve used electric (resistance), gas, and induction (also electric). Others who have done the same almost always prefer induction. We roast vegetables in our small electric resistance Breville or same tech oven.danrjones said:And cooking on gas is far superior than electric.
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