danrjones
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Re: HELP deciding whether to buy a Leaf Plus

Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:21 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:19 pm
This may just be the immense imprecision of the current version of the language at work. It's why we need to be able to communicate clearly and with reasonable precision. Please drop the argument about the argument, folks. Both sides' positions are clear enough.
Yes, sorry. Thank you
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SageBrush
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Re: HELP deciding whether to buy a Leaf Plus

Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:33 am

I decided to price out the SR+ today in Pearl White, and then add in @DanRjones cost reductions and taxes/fees:

Car cost is $39k+$1k delivery = $40k
Taxes/fees are ~ $4k
Fed credit is (I think) ($2k)
Other cost reductions he received = ($6.5k)

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Out of pocket would be $35.5k
The SR is ~ $4k less. It gives up some driver assist features (most notably DRCC), 20 miles of battery range, and some infotainment features.
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11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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danrjones
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Re: HELP deciding whether to buy a Leaf Plus

Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:16 am

I think the fed tax credit is currently 1875 for tesla.

Where I live we also had the CA rebate, 2500, an air district rebate of 3000 and electric rebate of 1000. Obviously the fed rebate various by brand and time you bought.

YMMV on credits. Some states are even better.
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danrjones
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Re: HELP deciding whether to buy a Leaf Plus

Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:33 am

What would be nice is if more rebates applied to used vehicles. Even a smaller fed and state rebate for used EVs would be very helpful. Only the 1k electric company rebate was good for new or used.
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iPlug
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Re: HELP deciding whether to buy a Leaf Plus

Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:56 am

SR+ is a good buy with 20 extra miles of unlocked range and other unlocked features.

The SR in white is $35k (+$1200 in destination and documentation fees). But it won't show up at the online store, one has to go to a physical Tesla store.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2869 ... ce-change/

Tesla is currently in the last phase of its federal tax credit phase out from July-Dec this year where it is worth 1/4 x $7,500 = $1,875.

Some great local incentives in a few parts of CA and state rebates like in CO for plug-ins.
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: HELP deciding whether to buy a Leaf Plus

Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:13 am

The Electric company rebates only appear to apply to Leaf's?

Do you think this is for the coming V2G trials, or a deal Nissan cut with the power companies?
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danrjones
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Re: HELP deciding whether to buy a Leaf Plus

Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:27 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:13 am
The Electric company rebates only appear to apply to Leaf's?

Do you think this is for the coming V2G trials, or a deal Nissan cut with the power companies?
Good question - for SCE, southern CA edison, it was 1k for ANY EV. Even used.
But SCE also had a deal with Nissan where you could get X amount off a Leaf or Y amount off a Leaf plus, separate from the rebate. I had a flyer for it at the time.

BUT it was a bit of a scam / promotion BS. It turned out it was "X amount off MSRP". Well since I was WAY below MSRP, the dealers would not take it. Honestly it was an amount off MSRP that you should easily have been able to hit with moderate negotiation anyway. Maybe ploy is better word than scam. I suppose it would have been nice when the plus first came out, you could have walked in and gotten Y under MSRP without any negotiation. That's my problem with the Kia, dealers still think they deserve full MSRP (or more at some!!) which I personally think its insane. I refuse to ever pay MSRP. That's just me maybe.

Cheers
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SageBrush
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Re: HELP deciding whether to buy a Leaf Plus

Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:52 am

danrjones wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:27 am
I refuse to ever pay MSRP. That's just me maybe.
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The marketers have long ago figured out how to deal with the likes of you. They start with an even higher MSRP than they want and then "discount" (under duress, naturally.)
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Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
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danrjones
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Re: HELP deciding whether to buy a Leaf Plus

Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:55 am

SageBrush wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:52 am
danrjones wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:27 am
I refuse to ever pay MSRP. That's just me maybe.
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The marketers have long ago figured out how to deal with the likes of you. They start with an even higher MSRP than they want and then "discount" (under duress, naturally.)
No kidding. When I was doing the leaf deal they salesman was remarking what an amazing deal i got over and over. When I said what was really amazing was that they were screwing everyone else, he stopped talking. It is a big game. Something to be said for flat pricing like Tesla.
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SageBrush
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Re: HELP deciding whether to buy a Leaf Plus

Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:16 am

danrjones wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:55 am
When I was doing the leaf deal they salesman was remarking what an amazing deal i got over and over. When I said what was really amazing was that they were screwing everyone else, he stopped talking. It is a big game. Something to be said for flat pricing like Tesla.
EXACTLY
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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