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Re: Leaf Plus - Why so low inventory?

Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:58 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:41 am
Ok, here is the answer. All of the Leaf inventory is going to Ireland. I could see how between climate and size how the leaf would be ideal.

https://www.advertiser.ie/galway/articl ... d-vehicles
Would be interesting to know if those are produced in the UK (Sunderland), the US or Japan. If produced in Sunderland, I wonder if there's some supply chain/parts bottleneck of some parts common to Leafs produced in all 3 places...

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Re: Leaf Plus - Why so low inventory?

Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:13 am

That would be interesting to know. After watching the Bjorn videos on the Leaf Plus, I found it interesting that there are subtle differences between the Leaf in the US and Europe.

ex. the right knob on the screen has a zoom function in Europe, but not in the us.
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Re: Leaf Plus - Why so low inventory?

Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:16 pm

Noticed that my dealer has a Plus in inventory. The Plus models are no longer advertised with any sort of discount. (the single 40 Leaf has a discount online). Guessing you could get a bit off in person.

Telsa was likely pretty smart to better secure its battery supply, as it feels like Nissan now on top of Kia/Hyundai are somewhat supply constrained.

At MSRP, the Tesla feels like a better deal, as you can get a base SR+ for 42K (40 post Fed) (assuming you don't want white), vs 43K (35-36 post Fed), the extra 5K for a mildly better range and charge network might be worth it.
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Re: Leaf Plus - Why so low inventory?

Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:06 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:16 pm
Noticed that my dealer has a Plus in inventory. The Plus models are no longer advertised with any sort of discount. (the single 40 Leaf has a discount online). Guessing you could get a bit off in person.

Telsa was likely pretty smart to better secure its battery supply, as it feels like Nissan now on top of Kia/Hyundai are somewhat supply constrained.

At MSRP, the Tesla feels like a better deal, as you can get a base SR+ for 42K (40 post Fed) (assuming you don't want white), vs 43K (35-36 post Fed), the extra 5K for a mildly better range and charge network might be worth it.
It’s not just a money thing though. We love the model 3. Amazing car. But lots of unchecked boxes for our needs.

Nissan over Tesla considerations for us were.

- Hatchback
- Easier ingress and egress.
- Heated steering wheel for sore 56 year old hands
- Homelink standard. (Not really important for us)
- Heat pump so less energy use in mildly cold temps...like where we live in BC.
- E-Pedal. (One of our favourite things about the Leaf.
- all around 360 view camera display
- pretty much no vampire drain. Important for us as we leave the country for a month or more at a time without being able to plug in.
- rear cross traffic alert avoidance system.
- much quieter than the model 3.
- we liked the behaviour of the pro pilot although the autopilot was fine.
- local service.

These things are not important to everybody but they were to us.

Still love seeing the model 3 in red though. Great looking car.
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Re: Leaf Plus - Why so low inventory?

Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:38 pm

Do none of the Tesla come with a heatpump or it's an upgrade?
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Re: Leaf Plus - Why so low inventory?

Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:17 pm

danrjones wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:38 pm
Do none of the Tesla come with a heatpump or it's an upgrade?
I’m not aware of a heat pump available in any model of any trim level of any Tesla. Not an expert.
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Re: Leaf Plus - Why so low inventory?

Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:01 pm

webeleafowners wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:06 pm
DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:16 pm
Noticed that my dealer has a Plus in inventory. The Plus models are no longer advertised with any sort of discount. (the single 40 Leaf has a discount online). Guessing you could get a bit off in person.

Telsa was likely pretty smart to better secure its battery supply, as it feels like Nissan now on top of Kia/Hyundai are somewhat supply constrained.

At MSRP, the Tesla feels like a better deal, as you can get a base SR+ for 42K (40 post Fed) (assuming you don't want white), vs 43K (35-36 post Fed), the extra 5K for a mildly better range and charge network might be worth it.
It’s not just a money thing though. We love tgecmodel 3. Amazing car. But lots of unchecked boxes for our needs.

Nissan over Tesla considerations for us were.

- Hatchback
- Easier ingress and egress.
- Heated steering wheel for sore 56 year old hands
- Homelink standard. (Not really important for us)
- Heat pump so less energy use in mildly cold temps...like where we live in BC.
- E-Pedal. (One of our favourite things about the Leaf.
- all around 360 view camera display
- pretty much no vampire drain. Important for us as we leave the country for a month or more at a time without being able to plug in.
- rear cross traffic alert avoidance system.
- much quieter than the model 3.
- we liked the behaviour of the pro pilot although the autopilot was fine.
- local service.

These things are not important to everybody but they were to us.

Still love seeing the model 3 in red though. Great looking car.

Agree on all counts.

For us though, the interior of the model 3 is a deal-killer. No I am not going fishing on a giant touch screen for virtually all of my controls. Sorry. And yes, I do strongly prefer an instrument cluster. Just because you can get used to glancing to the side to check your speed and everything else doesn't mean it's a good idea. I really like what Audi and others are doing around evolving the existing ergonomic solutions, rather than replacing them wholesale. The eTron is simply gorgeous inside.

Finally, while fairly priced for what it is, the model 3 is just too expensive as a second car, and in our household, given our particular needs, any electric car will be a second car for several generations yet. We tow a small camper through the high mountains. Not happening in any reasonable manner any time soon. (You can color me skeptical, put it that way.) We did drive the model 3 enough to be certain though, before going in a different direction.

Very happy with our Leaf so far. No complaints. Fits our chosen usage very well. A good value proposition for us. For now at least, we're basically not driving our other cars hardly at all. That may change some when winter hits.

We pick up the new wheels and snow tires tomorrow. Then it's off to Ft. Collins, 75 mi north. Our first longer trip with the Leaf. Should be fun.
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Re: Leaf Plus - Why so low inventory?

Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:19 pm

webeleafowners wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:06 pm

It’s not just a money thing though. We love the model 3. Amazing car. But lots of unchecked boxes for our needs.

Nissan over Tesla considerations for us were.

- Hatchback
- Easier ingress and egress.
- Heated steering wheel for sore 56 year old hands
- Homelink standard. (Not really important for us)
- Heat pump so less energy use in mildly cold temps...like where we live in BC.
- E-Pedal. (One of our favourite things about the Leaf.
- all around 360 view camera display
- pretty much no vampire drain. Important for us as we leave the country for a month or more at a time without being able to plug in.
- rear cross traffic alert avoidance system.
- much quieter than the model 3.
- we liked the behaviour of the pro pilot although the autopilot was fine.
- local service.

These things are not important to everybody but they were to us.

Still love seeing the model 3 in red though. Great looking car.
This reads exactly how I would have replied. I can afford either Tesla or Leaf. I had $1,000 deposit on a Model 3 when it was announced. After test driving the Model 3 I realized that egress and ingress was similar to the corvettes I owned in my younger years. With my bad back today it was not easy to get in and out of the Model 3.

I was impressed with the Tesla acceleration but the Leaf acceleration is more than ample.

I had a 40 kWh Leaf and was looking for additional range. Price actually being very similar wasn’t a factor since I can afford to purchase either for cash.

I’m very happy with our Leaf Plus and the $7,500 tax credit just was a bonus.
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Re: Leaf Plus - Why so low inventory?

Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:21 pm

Nissan profits plunged 99% and the Leaf is least profitable. Combine with the job cuts and you can extrapolate what’s going on at corporate. Expensive battery replacement warranty claims don’t help either.

https://www.autonews.com/automakers-sup ... plunges-99
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Re: Leaf Plus - Why so low inventory?

Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:55 am

Leaf is being moved into most of Nissan’s remaining markets this year in both hemispheres. There is some speculation that that is why supply is tight.
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