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This OP has it all; the only interesting thing is it comes from Canada even though it sounds American.
 
Yes, all roads and highways are the same, Route 66 and the Autobahn are exactly the same...... smh
Bytheway, parts of the 401 are 20 lanes across and where I live, again, IS the busiest and craziest stretch in all of North America and that is a FACT.
Crazy drivers, unbelievable amount of Transport trucks, average documented speed of 120kph, crazy traffic jams, inclimate weather, unbelievably short on-ramps at most interchanges. Everyday I deal with at least two idiots each way to work and I'm set to 115 kph in Pro Pilot not even driving the car basically! As a matter of fact, on last night's commute home it was pouring rain and visibility was poor. I dropped my speed down to 95 kph (below the speed limit) and I had an 18 wheeler ride my ass for 5 kms in the slow lane at 11:30 at night with almost no cars on the road in this stretch where he could of been in any lane he wanted!

And Sage, you should stop making blanket statements about American or Canadians when you don't even know them. I don't know what nationality you are, and I don't care but if you don't like America, LEAVE! And take your tree hugging, EV driving narrow-minded ass somewhere else!
 
Oh, I almost forgot.....

I am a proud Canadian and American (dual citizen).
And I'm not afraid to say I am a Republican, God bless America and Donald Trump.... MAGA all the way!

And....Let's all take a moment to remember and reflect, it is 9-11.......
 
So back to the whole point of this thread, forget all the stats and bickering and opinion......
When the average car buyer with a 150km daily commute goes to purchase an EV that says 242km range there is no thought in their head or calculator in their hand to crunch the real time stats that they think that car wont handle the drive fairly easily or at all for that matter. More so, there is no salesman that would tell them otherwise either!
Even further, I will go as far as saying that most buyers might even buy the 30kw/h Leaf thinking it would probably handle their needs!
Oh wait, but if I had just gone on the Leaf Forum (where less than .001% of Leaf buyers are) before hand, I would have found it all out....... Laughable
 
Let's be honest.....

There would be no threads here about range, efficiency, battery degredation, battery upgrades and so on if everyone was happy with what they got.
Do you think if I bought a Chevy Bolt with 383 km range that I would even be on a Chevy forum saying anything.......the majority of real happy and fully satisfied Leaf buyers will never go on any forum and that's a FACT.
 
sthbeach said:
So back to the whole point of this thread, forget all the stats and bickering and opinion......
When the average car buyer with a 150km daily commute goes to purchase an EV that says 242km range there is no thought in their head or calculator in their hand to crunch the real time stats that they think that car wont handle the drive fairly easily or at all for that matter. More so, their is no salesman that would tell them otherwise either!
Even further, I will go as far as saying that most buyers might even buy the 30kw/h Leaf thinking it would probably handle their needs!
Oh wait, but if I had just gone on the Leaf Forum (where less than .001% of Leaf buyers are) before hand, I would have found it all out....... Laughable

FWIW, when I was looking at LEAF (I was on the reservation list for awhile), Nissan had a web site to help you determine suitability. As I recall, they suggested best suitability was if your commute distance was 50% or less of the vehicle's rated range. Still a good rule of thumb.

But that was 2010. Let's ffwd a decade and "electric vehicle" turns up 34 million hits in Google. There's no shortage of information; it's one of the hottest topics around! And the "average car buyer" (whose commute is a third of what you give) knows better than to take a car salesman's word for ANYTHING. Seriously.

Sorry there's too much cherry-picking in your messages. Craziest road in North America, 150kM commute, your comprehensive tests somehow defy the laws of physics, you absolutely must speed because commercial drivers are trying to kill you in the right lane, did no research before buying a battery-operated car for the first time... A tale of woe, it is! :lol:

It's not the first time someone has come here with a story that was "the perfect storm" of conditions "proving" that EVs are no good. And with no shortage of ad hominem for anyone who challenges them! If your tale is true then I'm sorry for your mistake. Put on your MAGA hat, cinch up your knickers and either make the necessary adjustments or change vehicles is the best advice I can offer.
 
LMAO......
EV's are no good for most - FACT.
Because if they were it would take up a hell of alot more than 3.5% of the market share in 10 years.
I made a bad purchase and I own it but it doesn't change the fact that EV's are still **** for most people (range, purchase price and so on) and will be for another 10 years, I'm just one of the only EV owners in here that will admit it.
Let's be honest, where's the threads in here about saving the earth. Most EV owners did not purchase with that as their first reason to go electric.
If gas was 50 cents a gallon, I would put my MAGA hat on, drop the top and drive off in my nice 3 series Beamer for the same price as my fancied up golf cart.... Let's get real here people!

You tree huggers keep sitting on your moral high horse.....hey you never know, one day they'll make an EV version of one of those too and then you can ride off into that utopian sunset together....
There, how is that for a little more ad hominem for you, smart guy!
 
sthbeach said:
And I'm not afraid to say I am a Republican, God bless America and Donald Trump.... MAGA all the way!
Yep.

I can smell a Trumper a mile away. The stench of arrogance mixed with ignorance is unmistakable
 
Yep, and I can smell a socialist lefty from a mile away with his relentless ignoring the facts and overall naive sense of reality. Let me guess, you love AOC, right......anyway let's get off the politics, shall we.
 
Absolutely, as I said before, I can't wait for about another 3 years when I think that EV's will be the price/range combination to suit my needs perfectly.
 
I read on the Internet some and was able to figure with great confidence that an older leaf with a good battery should work for me.

Trying to go that far at that speed is pushing it. In winter I don't expect for you to be able to make it back with out charging.
 
Agreed..... I do have a good topic, just happened yesterday, I will put it in charging I think......
 
sthbeach said:
LMAO......
EV's are no good for most - FACT.
Because if they were it would take up a hell of alot more than 3.5% of the market share in 10 years.
I made a bad purchase and I own it but it doesn't change the fact that EV's are still **** for most people (range, purchase price and so on) and will be for another 10 years, I'm just one of the only EV owners in here that will admit it.
Let's be honest, where's the threads in here about saving the earth. Most EV owners did not purchase with that as their first reason to go electric.
If gas was 50 cents a gallon, I would put my MAGA hat on, drop the top and drive off in my nice 3 series Beamer for the same price as my fancied up golf cart.... Let's get real here people!

You tree huggers keep sitting on your moral high horse.....hey you never know, one day they'll make an EV version of one of those too and then you can ride off into that utopian sunset together....
There, how is that for a little more ad hominem for you, smart guy!

About as expected. You slew an army of straw men with this thread, but I'm not sure you shed much light. Owners here are not in the dark regarding the capabilities or applicability of EVs. There's no group conspiracy where we swore an oath to never "admit" negatives. Stop tilting at windmills; I hear they cause cancer.
 
Hey Nubo the philosopher.....look above, the thread is dead......nobody cares......move on....lol
 
sthbeach said:
Here in Canada, my Leaf is set to metrics.
So I did some tests in the last week and all are based on approx 75 km runs one way to work. In an earlier post many of you responded to me with wind resistance stats at different speeds and about slowing down on the highway and I will get much better results and to that I say........NOPE, not that much better!
So after many runs at 120kph or 75mph my computer shows an average of approx 18.5 kw/100kms or about 5.4 kms per kw.
Driving at 105kph or 65mph my computer shows an average of approx 17.2kw/100kms or about 5.81 kms per kw.
The difference is .41 kms per kw x a safe usable 37 kw = A lousy 15.1 kms or just about 10 miles better.
So to this I say...... ,the stats that Nissan or maybe all EV vehicles give are really never designed for commuters and highway driving.

Unless you do each speed AT LEAST 10 times (and that barely qualifies) you have nothing. Too many variables. route is the only one you have covered.
 
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