300-mile LEAF to be Announced this Month?

Yes, even the magazine article calls it a "Concept"... However, I would never buy a "sedan" that does not have a hatchback. I will pass-up the Honda Clarity for that reason.

Personally, I would not hold my breath for a 2021 release, as we may not wait for an EV that far away if you need one in the next year or 2.

Even if it is made, it may not arrive for 2.5 years, and we don't if we'll be around that far off ...

danrjones said:

But I personally think the model Y might become the best selling Tesla yet. But the model Y could end up smashing their model 3 records.

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Really? The MY is basically a M3 with a hatch. Besides, Tesla is production limited at about 100K vehicles per quarter, notwithstanding China.
Presently there's no potential production capacity from GF1. Tesla is far from becoming a serious OEM automotive company.

danrjones said:

But I personally think the model Y might become the best selling Tesla yet. SUV's and crossovers are the biggest market in the US right, except trucks. Until I see what their truck will be, I'm not sure if I can predict that one yet. But the model Y could end up smashing their model 3 records.

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Elon agrees with you, and thinks that the Model Y will outsell the Model 3 2:1
He also thinks that Fremont can double its production limit. That was a key part in deciding to put Model Y production in Fremont rather than at the GF3 in Reno, NV.

SageBrush said:

danrjones said:

But I personally think the model Y might become the best selling Tesla yet. SUV's and crossovers are the biggest market in the US right, except trucks. Until I see what their truck will be, I'm not sure if I can predict that one yet. But the model Y could end up smashing their model 3 records.

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Elon agrees with you, and thinks that the Model Y will outsell the Model 3 2:1
He also thinks that Fremont can double its production limit. That was a key part in deciding to put Model Y production in Fremont rather than at the GF3 in Reno, NV.

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Yes, Elon thinks alot, but reality and thoughts typically don't converge! Besides, the MY price is projected to be more than the M3.

The dichotomy is that Tesla is production limited, but yet Tesla reduces prices on the M3. Hardly what most companies would do
if product demand was as significant as implied from Tesla reports.

lorenfb said:

The MY is basically a M3 with a hatch.

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No ...
It is taller, for one
second, I think it will also have a beefier suspension to allow more towing capacity. Towing is the sekret ingredient.

Anyway, it still looks like Nissan was trying to compete in that EV segment with the Y, whether they will allow the model Y a head start or not.

If its everything it people say - CCS, 300 EPA miles, digital dash, it sounds nice. But what else will be out by 2021 or 2022, what will the price be, and what is the charge rate on CCS? I would hope they can a hit 150 kW, or better.

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lorenfb said:

The MY is basically a M3 with a hatch.

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No ...
It is taller, for one
second, I think it will also have a beefier suspension to allow more towing capacity. Towing is the sekret ingredient.

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Yes, increase that Cd for less efficiency.

Guessing it will be ccs for Europe and Chademo for Japan, just like Jaguar and BMW.

lorenfb said:

SageBrush said:

lorenfb said:

The MY is basically a M3 with a hatch.

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No ...
It is taller, for one
second, I think it will also have a beefier suspension to allow more towing capacity. Towing is the sekret ingredient.

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Yes, increase that Cd for less efficiency.

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Actually, the Model Y has the same or better Cd than the Model 3. You are trolling up the wrong tree.

DougWantsALeaf said:

Guessing it will be ccs for Europe and Chademo for Japan, just like Jaguar and BMW.

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That is my guess too. The big question will be plug choice for the USA. If Nissan wants a shot at playing with the big boys it will have to kill CHAdeMO

SageBrush said:

lorenfb said:

SageBrush said:

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No ...
It is taller, for one
second, I think it will also have a beefier suspension to allow more towing capacity. Towing is the sekret ingredient.

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Yes, increase that Cd for less efficiency.

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Actually, the Model Y has the same or better Cd than the Model 3. You are trolling up the wrong tree.

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Comparative numbers please, with link.

9:15 PM EDT. Tokyo. Livestream Link: https://youtu.be/C6Eo-yxrKWw

Apparently the Nissan Ariya will be revealed here. Not sure when during this event.

^^ About 19:15 MST

Charge port on the side!!!

I'm seriously hoping the charge port is not there...but this "concept" appears to be arriving showrooms next fall for deliveries in 2021.

Video: https://youtu.be/uFHUim9TCAI

Article with pricing and details: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a29542556/nissan-ariya-concept-ev-photos-info/

I'm guessing a version with PP would be $45K OTD. So $37.5K after federal rebate.

Tokyo launch video seems to show the new car with a Chademo connection (V2H).

https://www.reddit.com/r/leaf/comments/dlryxi/live_tokyo_motor_show_ev_concept_unveiling/

DougWantsALeaf said:

Tokyo launch video seems to show the new car with a Chademo connection (V2H).

https://www.reddit.com/r/leaf/comments/dlryxi/live_tokyo_motor_show_ev_concept_unveiling/

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It's the Japanese model so of course it has Chademo charging. Notice that it's right hand drive as well. The US model could have CCS. Nissan would be smart to change to CCS for Europe and the U.S. since the majority of new charging stations will be either Combo or CCS only.

johnlocke said:

Nissan would be smart to change to CCS for Europe and the U.S. since the majority of new charging stations will be either Combo or CCS only.

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Because of VW-owned Electrify America stacking the deck?

CCS only? Even they aren't doing that, AFAIK.

jdcbomb said:

I'm seriously hoping the charge port is not there...but this "concept" appears to be arriving showrooms next fall for deliveries in 2021.
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Article with pricing and details: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a29542556/nissan-ariya-concept-ev-photos-info/

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Says who? Did Nissan say that? Source?

From watching the video, the car still seems way too concept-y and not something they would produce even for 2021.

Here's Nissan's press release: https://global.nissannews.com/en/releases/nissan-unveils-ariya-concept-at-tokyo-motor-show.


I was at Tokyo Motor Show in late 2009 and saw the Leaf on stage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-A3gyCc_Uk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rUCa2SA_Do). I have some pics of it still.

Here's a pic that year's motor show: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Leaf#/media/File:Nissan_Leaf_013.JPG. I have a pic of the basically the same thing but worse. https://imgur.com/a/27eA9qh is one I happen to have but not as zoomed in to include the door and more of the seat.

What they shipped in Dec 2010 wasn't that far off from that.

Seems like C&D is just guessing. I'm not sure how confident I am about that guess.

I agree that having a production car sold next year feels like a stretch given we haven’t seen any in the wild. I would bet a nickel that Y beats it to market.

That said, there is absolute urgency to have a competitive offering.

If they shaved 5K off the MSRP for the Leaf (and reduce discounts) it would do much better, but I know know if they really even want to sell more.

I don’t know In general if they can change their Corp culture enough to support the kind of change needed to truely be competitive in this new era.