GRA
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ISTR the 500e was also limited to CA/OR initially. But obviously, if they can sell them elsewhere they will if/when production allows, eventually.
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The Electric Motorcycle & Motorscooter Topic
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GRA
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GCC:
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/09/201090928-gogoro.htmlGogoro introduces VIVA ultralight electric smartscooter; battery swapping
My idea of "ultralight" is quite a bit smaller and lighter than that. It's a small Vespa class scooter, like the departed Oxygen Lepton.
GRA
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ABG:
Most of this stuff is "common" sense, which is apparently uncommon among many scooter users, but the issues around "chargers" was new to me, although easy to believe once I read it. The article describes a fairly simple remedy, although that by itself isn't going to work in gang territory.
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/11/02/electric-scooter-safety-etiquette-rules/Rules, etiquette and safety for e-scooters
What to know before you ride
Most of this stuff is "common" sense, which is apparently uncommon among many scooter users, but the issues around "chargers" was new to me, although easy to believe once I read it. The article describes a fairly simple remedy, although that by itself isn't going to work in gang territory.
I personally have no interest in standup scooters.
GRA
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Me either, but I do think they are an excellent first/last mile option combined with mass transit.
GRA
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ABG:
Finally, a scooter company tries something that might actually work.
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/11/19/bird-helmet-selfie-ride-credits/Bird offers scooter credits when you take 'helmet selfies'
It's hoping to improve scooter safety by offering rewards
Finally, a scooter company tries something that might actually work.
GRA said:ABG:https://www.autoblog.com/2019/11/19/bird-helmet-selfie-ride-credits/Bird offers scooter credits when you take 'helmet selfies'
It's hoping to improve scooter safety by offering rewards
Finally, a scooter company tries something that might actually work.
Because it isn't as if they can take a selfie and then remove the helmet to ride...
GRA
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LeftieBiker said:GRA said:ABG:https://www.autoblog.com/2019/11/19/bird-helmet-selfie-ride-credits/Bird offers scooter credits when you take 'helmet selfies'
It's hoping to improve scooter safety by offering rewards
Finally, a scooter company tries something that might actually work.
Because it isn't as if they can take a selfie and then remove the helmet to ride...
The selfie has to be taken at the end of the trip, so you have to carry the helmet along with you in any case, and I imagine they figure most people who do so will decide they might as well carry it on their head as anywhere else. Not a perfect solution, but better than anyone else has come up with so far. I'm personally in favor of insurance policies that exempt treatment of all head injuries from coverage (or at least seriously raise premiums and deductibles) if you're not wearing a helmet. That way, the person who chooses to take the extra risk can still do so, but assumes financial responsibility for same.
GRA
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See https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=26806&p=576536#p576536 for the new 30 mph moped (really just an electric sit-down scooter) MaaS in Oakland, CA.
"Moped" is a strange legal definition used by many states to define a motorscooter with a very limited top speed. Confusingly enough, 'sit down electric scooter' generally means a skateboard type scooter with a seat and handlebar. And, of course, electric-assist bicycles, which are in fact a type of moped, are never called that in the US.
WetEV
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At least some states require pedals.LeftieBiker said:"Moped" is a strange legal definition used by many states to define a motorscooter with a very limited top speed. Confusingly enough, 'sit down electric scooter' generally means a skateboard type scooter with a seat and handlebar. And, of course, electric-assist bicycles, which are in fact a type of moped, are never called that in the US.
Many years ago someone I knew bought a moped, and the only real use for the pedals was starting the motor. You could push the moped faster than you could pedal it...
Back in the Seventies, during the Gas Crisis, real European mopeds became popular for a while. They did have pedals as well as a motor because that's what the European laws specified. I don't know when exactly the laws here in many states changed, but change they did.
GRA
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Here's CA-DMV's definitions page: https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/motorcycles/motorcycles There aren't any pedals on these scooters that I can see.
GRA said:Here's CA-DMV's definitions page: https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/motorcycles/motorcycles There aren't any pedals on these scooters that I can see.
The ones defined as mopeds do have pedals.
GRA
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Yes, so I don't know why they're being called that - they appear to be either motorcycles or scooters as defined.
You are confused. California defines mopeds correctly. New York and other states do not. A moped is a bicycle-scooter combination, designed to be run on an engine, but with pedals as well. (The pedals are often used to start the ICE.) Power-assisted bicycles meet the rational, logical definition for "moped" but low speed scooters do not, unless equipped with pedals. Whoever made the laws in places like New York did not understand the vehicles being defined, or was giving them designations at odds with their structure and function, despite knowing that the designations were incorrect.
GRA
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LeftieBiker said:You are confused. California defines mopeds correctly. New York and other states do not. A moped is a bicycle-scooter combination, designed to be run on an engine, but with pedals as well. (The pedals are often used to start the ICE.) Power-assisted bicycles meet the rational, logical definition for "moped" but low speed scooters do not, unless equipped with pedals. Whoever made the laws in places like New York did not understand the vehicles being defined, or was giving them designations at odds with their structure and function, despite knowing that the designations were incorrect.
No, I'm not confused, I said the scooters being offered in Oakland lack pedals, thus don't meet the definition of moped. They are either "Motor-driven cycles" or scooters. The latter are defined as
motorized scooter is a two-wheeled device that has handlebars, a floorboard designed to be stood upon when riding, and is powered by a motor. Click here for more information CVC §407.5
Motorized scooter does NOT have to be registered. A motorized scooter may be driven with any class driver license.
The scooter illustrated also has a seat, so that's not an eliminating factor, but the "mopeds" being rented in Oakland don't really look as if the floorboard is designed to be stood upon - they just look like normal sit-down scooters that happen to have electric motors rather than an ICE. "Motor-driven cycle" seems to be the closest match to CA's regs, going by both the photo and text:
A motor-driven cycle has 149cc or less engine size. CVC §405
A motor-driven cycle has to be registered and the driver must have a motorcycle license (M1).
Ok, we are talking passed each other. The scooters in the article you linked are not mopeds - the "journalists and/or company are mis-identifying them. They are not "mopeds" under California law. Oddly, they are mopeds under New York law.
GRA
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ABG:
https://www.autoblog.com/2020/02/19/zero-srs-electric-motorcycle/Zero SR/S electric motorcycle boasts up to 201 miles of range
The standard unit is rated at 161 miles
Following the launch of the super-cool SR/F electric streetfighter in 2019, Zero Motorcycles is once again expanding its lineup for 2020 with the new SR/S. The SR/S adds a different style to the Zero range, with full aerodynamic fairings, as well as a more comfortable and refined riding experience.
The SR/S is positioned as one of the company's most premium bikes, as it has some of the best power and range specs of the bunch. Like the SR/F, the SR/S uses an air-cooled ZF 75-10 electric motor and a 14.4 kWh lithium-ion battery to make a claimed 110 horsepower and 140 lb-ft of torque. Peak power on the rear-drive bike comes at 5,000 rpm, and its top speed caps at 124 mph.
The SR/S will be available as a Standard model or a Premium model, and an extra-cost Power Tank boosts range on both. Without the pack, the Standard and Premium bikes are rated to achieve 161 miles of range in the city, 82 miles on the highway, and 109 miles combined. With the tank, those numbers go up to 201 miles city, 103 miles highway, and 136 miles combined.
In addition to the Premium model having heated hand grips and aluminum bar ends, it also has upgraded charging capabilities. With Level 2 chargers, the Premium SR/S, which has a standard 6-kW charger, can charge up to 95 percent full in roughly two hours. With an added 6-kW rapid charging option, for a total of 12 kW, that number is cut in half to one hour. On the Standard model, which has a 3 kW charger, it takes four hours to charge to 95 percent, while adding the 6-kW rapid charging option breaks that down to approximately 1.3 hours.
With a relatively low foot position, highish handlebars, and a seat height of 31.0 inches, the SR/F has a more upright position but maintains efficiency with fairings and a windscreen. Zero says crouching down behind the windscreen results in a 13-percent increase in range over the SR/F, though no other parameters were mentioned. . . .
Zero has already started shipping the SR/S to dealers. Before taxes, fees, and government credits, the SR/S Standard starts at $19,995, while the SR/S Premium starts at $21,995. The Power Tank costs an extra $2,895, but that is not available until March 1, 2020. All Zero motorcycles are eligible for a 10% federal tax credit for plug-in vehicles.
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