Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote: ↑
Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:50 pm
GRA wrote: ↑
Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:55 pm
If you can do the LA-SF trip in a time that is the same for you, terrific. On the rare occasions that I've done it I've usually done it non-stop. Different strokes for different folks. Do you do multi-state road trips, especially off-interstate to places like national parks?
I do, and so do lots of other people judging by the visitation numbers.
Lassen, Zion, and Joshua Tree so far. The funny thing about all those places is that the campsites have 240v RV outlets that charges an EV (even a chevy bolt) just fine. KLA sites are the best, but any place with 120v outlets can still work.
The sooner you realize you're arguing from a point of ignorance, the easier it will be to have an actual discussion with you.
The rest of your points were all applied out-of-context, so there's no point in rehashing old arguments with them.
Lassen, Zion and Joshua Tree. Good. I note that all are reasonably accessible from QCs/SCs on nearby interstates. Of course, you had to stay at campgrounds with charging, or RV parks, neither of which I have any interest in doing. Let's see you charge your car at the trailheads I'm normally driving to and hiking/backpacking from, which lack electricity and usually any other facilities.
So let's talk about my 'ignorance'. I've driven U.S. 50 across Nevada/Utah to Interstate 70 4 times (3 E/B. 1 W/B). There is still no way to drive U.S. 50 using only QCs. One Model X owner did it, and had to stay at an RV campground one night and IIRR spend a few hours charging at another to make it, instead of simply being able to driving it non-stop except for one or two gas stops after leaving Reno, as I've done repeatedly.
I drove it to visit or return from Great Basin, Arches, Canyonlands, Natural Bridges, Capitol Reef, Bryce, Zion, and/or Rocky Mountain NPs/NMs. On one trip I did a loop, starting at Canyonlands (3 day backpack), then Natural Bridges (overnight stay, forenoon day hike), drove through Capitol Reef on the way to Bryce (overnight stay, morning and afternoon day hikes), drove to Zion, stayed a couple of nights while day hiking, and then home. With the exception of Zion, none of the locations mentioned have charging at the places I need them; in most cases, they have no charging or electricity, period.
For example, Wheeler Peak campground in Great Basin is at 10,000 feet, and the campground improvements consist of a table and (maybe) a pit toilet nearby, I forget. The park had only been open a year or two at the time, and it does have toilets now, and they even truck water in during the summer. And that's one of the more developed
sites I've camped at - more typically, my car is parked at a trailhead where camp is either the back of my car or any reasonably flat spot - the improvements
list is typically as follows: no water, no power, no table, no toilet, just sky, dirt, rocks, trees and brush.
Or maybe you'd care to tell me how I'm supposed to get to Glacier National Park and return using QCs/SCs, hopefully before the last glacier disappears? Tesla's had an SC in Kalispell listed as coming soon for more than 3 years now, and ones in Helena, Great Falls and Shelby for at least the past two years likewise, but vaporware isn't going to charge a car, nor will the equally vaporous SC in Kayenta allow me to revisit Monument Valley.
How about Black Canyon of the Gunnison and Mesa Verde N.P.s and Dinosaur NM in Colorado? Haven't been to any of them yet (I drove past Dinosaur on U.S. 40 on the way back from Rocky Mtn. to SLC once), but Colorado is supposed to build QCs (Chargepoint) that will provide access to them, although they've reported zero progress since announcing the grants, and none of the 33 sites has opened yet.
As for California, since I'm not interested in a Tesla I've been monitoring all the EA, EVgo, CEC and other sites needed to give me access to the places I want to go in state. As noted in my recent post in the "Expanding EVs in Yosemite" topic, two weeks ago I visited a total of six charging sites (5 QCs, 1 L2 only) that are more or less on my way to Lee Vining from home:
Of the six, only three are open yet. Of those not yet open,
One (EA) is too close to home to be any use in any case, except maybe on the return trip.
Another (EA requires that I go 25 miles/40 minutes out of my way via another Hwy to use it.
The third site (CEC) is the one that would be of most use to me, once it opens, but that's not going to happen until after fire season.
As for the open sites:
One's (CEC) a bit too far west to be really useful, and requires an extra charging stop somewhere.
The one furthest east (CEC) only has a single QC, and thus can't be relied on.
The last, in Lee Vining (ESEVA), is the L2 site which opened in September, and is better than nothing, but what's really needed are some QCs here.
Yeah, you're right, I'm completely ignorant of what's needed to make a BEV useful for me.