2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

SageBrush said:

Oils4AsphaultOnly said:

Yeah, something along those lines, but significantly cheaper!! And I really just want the battery, so if someone is doing a battery swap and looking to recoup some value from the old cells?

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I'm under the impression that Nissan takes the old battery in a swap. I think any cells on the secondary market are from totaled cars.
You might actually have better look looking for Tesla modules or packs since the cars are a lot more common.

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I was thinking more along the lines of this type of swap: https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=27600

Where it's handled by a third party who wouldn't benefit (or could be the source of) old EOL battery packs.

6 bar loser '14 at https://www.facebook.com/groups/437741293059829/permalink/1340420546125228/ in Florida. Don't know why they bought it. They said "I bought this 2014 Leaf in June, and have already lost 2 bars."

Perhaps it was also a reset victim? Seems way too fast to go from 8 to 6 bars between June and end of October. But, maybe it's possible if they were right on the edge of the 8th bar and they beat the hell out of the battery in Florida?

2013 with 72k miles in Portland, OR. Owned since new. Haven't lost any bars and would guestimate that the battery is about at 95%. Battery performance below freezing has gotten a bit worse.

Pete

I have a 2014 battery with 12 bars.
Will probably lose a bar any time between now and early 2020.

I just lost my second capacity bar on my 2013 Nissan Leaf. Here are my stats:

MY13 (took delivery 10/13, manufactured 9/13)
Location: Northern Colorado
Date of loss: 10/15/2019
Mileage at loss: 83330
AHr: 51.34
SOH: 78.5%
Hx: 68.73%
L1/L2 charges: 4912
QC: 44

I try to leave my LEAF outside at night to cool off the battery during the summer. We moved to charging to 100% in the morning every weekday (just prior to departure) in the last few years to make up for capacity loss.

2014 SL with full bars at 62,000 miles and 86% SOH and 82% HX. From Connecticut.
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This person (initials LdS) at https://www.facebook.com/groups/nissan.leaf.owners.group/permalink/3203165183087634/ (a private group) wrote this:
"Will I be require to do a battery replacement soon. Current condition as follows. Still enough for my daily usage which is around 60km.
1. Year 2013
2. SOH - 30%
3. Hx-20Ahr
4. Battery bars available - 3
5. Mileage - 105,000km
6. Range - 65-75km"

He appears to be in Sri Lanka.

Car specs and history in signature. Oct 2013 build. 40k miles
12th bar lost 7/2019
Currently SOH 83%, 54.2 Ahr capacity per LeafSpy

2014 Nissan Leaf battery screen shot for May, 19, 2020. Just topped 70,000 miles and the summer tires are back on. State Of Health 86.66%. HX 82.80%. One bar lost. Connecticut and NY.
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Thats fantastic.

I lucked out. It is a loaded 2014 SL in Pearl White purchased last October at 62,000 and still full bars. Third owner. The previous family leased a new Ionic for $99. Driven all winter with many charges to 100%. Here is my first screen shot from November. LeafSpy with a full charge (the car said 100%) on 11/ 23/ 19. The SOH and HX went up over the last month even though I had been hammering it to 100% most nights and running it to below 7% several times before I got my big charge station wired up. Balance is exceptional at the top of the charge.
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cwerdna said:

"2014, Czech Republic, 24 kWh, 200.000km, original battery, taxi" (I fixed their wrong unit usage).

Still has 12 bars. Unclear if this is with or w/o "lizard" pack as the build month is unknown and I don't know if they go by model years there. SOH at around 85.28% and Hx at 80.88%

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AArrr crap. I lost my first bar at 84,9% SOH and 80.0% Hx. Same age but 173 000km driven
There I did not get first place here

It is lizard pack, because 2011-12 packs die much faster when DC charging daily.

While looking around, I came across this (what looks like a) 6 bar loser '13.

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/d/san-jose-2013-nissan-leaf-sv-hatchback/7179271559.html

Archived copies:
https://web.archive.org/web/20200826212328/https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/d/san-jose-2013-nissan-leaf-sv-hatchback/7179271559.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20200826212311/https://images.craigslist.org/00B0B_kOsLFWG7qwX_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg

A guy in the Seattle area (initials PO) has a '13 Leaf up for sale at https://www.facebook.com/groups/seattlenissanleaf/permalink/3582497545114990/. He's at 8 capacity bars with 105K miles. Not surprisingly, his build month turned out to be 2/2013.

Don't know about his charging habits and whether the car's always resided in the mild climate up there.

My car is clinging to bar 11 longer than I'd expected. See current stats in sig. Am I right in thinking that bar 11 could go at any minute?

You could get months or even another year on that bar, assuming your climate hasn't gotten hotter.

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Indeed. My 1st bar was lost in Nov 2017: https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=511915#p511915.

I'm still at 11 bars but my SOH is at high 79.xx% these days at around 68K miles. My '13 Leaf is now barely driven due to WFH and no more free public L2 juice nearby.

I mostly drive my Bolt now which is in no danger of having its warranties expire by mileage (not even at 12K miles nearing the 2 year mark) as I can get free DC FC juice from https://drivethearc.com/ (limited parts of Nor Cal only) but my Leaf doesn't have CHAdeMO, so DTA is useless for it.

LeftieBiker said:

You could get months or even another year on that bar, assuming your climate hasn't gotten hotter.

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Charged the car at work for an hour today, drove home 8 miles, temperature sensors at 42° F, so no. But the car is sometimes parked in the sun in the summer. Not that summer in Ballard is much to speak of.

I charged the car to 100% a few times over the last couple of months, and each time it stopped at 231 Gids. Has anyone noted how many Gids they had when the 11th bar dropped?

By comparison, when I first got it, at 86% SOH, charging to 100% usually hit 243 Gids, although I saw 244 twice and 245 once (maybe due to stopping at 243 then warming up in the sun before starting it up?) Those numbers and the SOH numbers seem to be perfectly correlated. Hx numbers not so much!

I was hoping to get two years per bar, so my expectations are already slightly exceeded.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/nissan.leaf.owners.group/permalink/5288184581252340/ has a pic of a '13 (unknown build month) w/only 4 capacity bars left (8 bar loser) at just past 90K miles. I think this is the worst '13 I've seen a pic of, so far.