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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:02 pm

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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:16 pm

And the name of that supplier is?

That's one of the reasons I don't trust these guys they always act like they have to hide everything.
This part should have been figured out months ago.
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:33 pm

While a 40 KWH upgrade path is great, They haven't disclosed the actual cost yet. If we're talking $6K for the battery and $1500 to install, that's more than I'm willing to spend on a $7500 car (last trade-in offer from Tesla on my car).
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:21 pm

Isn’t Fenix the guys who are proposing a monthly fee instead of selling the battery? Or is that someone else.

The guys in Quebec have a sellable product. If they ever get a western installer there are a couple folks in our town who would drop 10 grand Canadian for a 40 KWH upgrade to their gen 1 Leaf.
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:43 pm

webeleafowners wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:21 pm
Isn’t Fenix the guys who are proposing a monthly fee instead of selling the battery? Or is that someone else.

The guys in Quebec have a sellable product. If they ever get a western installer there are a couple folks in our town who would drop 10 grand Canadian for a 40 KWH upgrade to their gen 1 Leaf.
Yes, Fenix is the upgrade subscription model. They've stated costs to rent the battery will be less than $99 per month for 30 kWh and $1500 for installation. They also offered an option to buy the battery outright, but haven't specified that cost.

Now that they have the battery supplier locked in, it's unclear if the $99/mth will apply to the 40 kWh or 30 kWh.

As always, I think the pricing is reasonable with the Fenix folks. $99/mth to keep an otherwise good Leaf running, on the road, with greater capacity than new seems like a slam dunk for a lot of people. The concern with Fenix is the risk: They've yet to show anything public that's working or demonstrating the tech.

https://fenix.systems/product/nissan-le ... production
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:00 pm

Meh. Not interested in a rental type program.

Wishing the boys in Quebec success though. Victoria would be a great location for a sucursal.
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:45 pm

johnlocke wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:33 pm
While a 40 KWH upgrade path is great, They haven't disclosed the actual cost yet. If we're talking $6K for the battery and $1500 to install, that's more than I'm willing to spend on a $7500 car (last trade-in offer from Tesla on my car).
Basing the value proposition off of that $7500 valuation misses an important point. The reason the trade-in value is so low is because of battery degradation and range limitation.
I noticed you're still working with polymers.

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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:55 pm

Nubo wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:45 pm
johnlocke wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:33 pm
While a 40 KWH upgrade path is great, They haven't disclosed the actual cost yet. If we're talking $6K for the battery and $1500 to install, that's more than I'm willing to spend on a $7500 car (last trade-in offer from Tesla on my car).
Basing the value proposition off of that $7500 valuation misses an important point. The reason the trade-in value is so low is because of battery degradation and range limitation.
But how much does the value increase when you install a new battery? Now if you could find a Leaf dirt cheap ( say $3000-$4000) with a highly degraded battery, replace it with a new 40 KWH, and drive it for another 4-5 years with minimal degradation, then you have something useful. But you still have the old electronics. If I take the $7500 trade-in and the $7500 i'd spend on the battery and put it down on a new model, I get a larger, better battery, the latest electronics, and a warranty on the whole car. I also get any state or federal rebates available. It will cost more than just replacing the battery would but there's a lot of value in the proposition.
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Jamul, CA
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:49 pm

Fenix is offering a 40 kWh battery. That's where I think this is killer.

If you bought a 3-4k leaf with an absolutely trashed battery, then you could, for $1500 installation have yourself a 150 mile range EV for $4.5-5.5k and $99/mth. Additionally, the battery is warrantied under the rental agreement--meaning that you'll never have to pay for a replacement battery again.

I understand wanting to have a new car, and warranty, and the value that provides. But for those of us who care about minimizing our transportation expenses, you really can't beat numbers like that. And my 2011 Leaf is still way more fun to drive than nearly every other car on the market.
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:36 am

johnlocke wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:55 pm
Nubo wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:45 pm
johnlocke wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:33 pm
While a 40 KWH upgrade path is great, They haven't disclosed the actual cost yet. If we're talking $6K for the battery and $1500 to install, that's more than I'm willing to spend on a $7500 car (last trade-in offer from Tesla on my car).
Basing the value proposition off of that $7500 valuation misses an important point. The reason the trade-in value is so low is because of battery degradation and range limitation.
But how much does the value increase when you install a new battery? Now if you could find a Leaf dirt cheap ( say $3000-$4000) with a highly degraded battery, replace it with a new 40 KWH, and drive it for another 4-5 years with minimal degradation, then you have something useful. But you still have the old electronics. If I take the $7500 trade-in and the $7500 i'd spend on the battery and put it down on a new model, I get a larger, better battery, the latest electronics, and a warranty on the whole car. I also get any state or federal rebates available. It will cost more than just replacing the battery would but there's a lot of value in the proposition.
Not that much.
The difference between a leaf with a fried 8 or 9 bar battery versus one with a newer warranty replacement was only 3 or 4 thousand dollars.
I figured there was no way I would be able to get a 12 bar battery in there for less than $3,000.
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