WetEV
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Tesla's charging incompatibility is an attempt at monopoly.wmcbrine said:
If Tesla controls the majority of charging networks, Tesla controls the market for EVs.
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If Tesla controls the majority of charging networks, Tesla controls the market for EVs.
cwerdna
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I'm not sure it's that much of a stretch. The SAE Combo inlet on US-market Bolts isn't standard on either trim level. It's a $750 option.wmcbrine said:
webeleafowners
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wmcbrine said:
It’s neither here or there to me wether Chademo disappears or not as we change cars every 5 or 6 years. But in our province the most common EV’s are Leafs and Tesla’s. The rest are available in extremely limited numbers. The goverment determines what public stations consist of in terms of CCS and Chademo. Right now it’s one for one. There are CCS only stations at some Chevy dealers but they are usuallly behind locked gates and accesible only to bolt drivers..if they get permission.
Except that Tesla offered to share their charging network with any other manufacturer if they were wiling to share in the cost to build out the charging network. Oddly enough, no other manufacturer was willing to participate. it's only a monopoly in the sense that nobody else joined. It's not even proprietary since Tesla offered to share it without royalties, just requiring participation in building it.WetEV said:
WetEV
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Why would a manufacturer pay for a competitor's market advantage?johnlocke said:
Not so oddly, not one was dumb enough.
DaveinOlyWA
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cwerdna said:
BINGO!!
DaveinOlyWA
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johnlocke said:
Yeah, Tesla was so magnanimous in their offer knowing full well no manufacturer would give up that much control just to plug in.
DougWantsALeaf
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Interview with EA executives.
https://insideevs.com/news/389891/exclusive-interview-electrify-america-problems-solutions/
https://insideevs.com/news/389891/exclusive-interview-electrify-america-problems-solutions/
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cwerdna, word has it that you may be interested in selling your 2013 Leaf. If so, I'm interested. Email me at [email protected]
cwerdna
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^^^
Thanks. The headline is "Electrify America Talks Charging Network Problems, Has Solutions". It provided good context.
I think some key takeaways are:
- Use their app! They know they have some credit card reader problems.
- Report your successes and failures to PlugShare. If you have a problem w/their stations, call them! Report it on PlugShare!
- If you have a Kona Electric or Niro EV, don't use their chargers until they resolve their pricing issue. You will otherwise get reamed.
Thanks. The headline is "Electrify America Talks Charging Network Problems, Has Solutions". It provided good context.
I think some key takeaways are:
- Use their app! They know they have some credit card reader problems.
- Report your successes and failures to PlugShare. If you have a problem w/their stations, call them! Report it on PlugShare!
- If you have a Kona Electric or Niro EV, don't use their chargers until they resolve their pricing issue. You will otherwise get reamed.
paulgipe
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Guy,
EA and drivers are reporting Bishop and Hesperia, CA are live.
That makes two stations (Bridgeport and Bishop) on 395 on the East Side of the Sierra. Coso Junction and Mojave remain. Could EA actually be on the move to open them as well?
Paul
EA and drivers are reporting Bishop and Hesperia, CA are live.
That makes two stations (Bridgeport and Bishop) on 395 on the East Side of the Sierra. Coso Junction and Mojave remain. Could EA actually be on the move to open them as well?
Paul
webeleafowners
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Now if we could just get somebody...anybody to cover 97 to the Canadian border. 
danrjones
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paulgipe said:
Someone visited Bishop and Bridgeport with their Kona and was not happy with how EA charged them, per plugshare yesterday, and now today both his negative reviews are gone! He was claiming that EA was charging him the second tier even though he never went into the second tier KW rates.
I'll be excited when Mojave and Coso junction open up but I will be even more excited when alternatives open up, someday.
Also, did not CA just update the laws for how EV charging stations can charge? I caught only a piece of it on the news but I thought they said no more charging for time. I'd be happy with straight charging per KWhr plus maybe a demand fee if you are on "high" end Fast chargers but I also thought the reason they charged for time was they ere not allowed to "resell" by the KWhr?
DaveinOlyWA
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cwerdna said:
Just to reiterate;
I have had a success rate of 20% using EA machine (NFC pad, CC skimmer, touchscreen) most of which was done during Summer when the supply of patience is vast.
BUT
I have had 100% success using the app. Process; pull up, jump out of car, plug in, jump back into car. (Its winter time when patience has all but disappeared) Start charge with app.
When time to end charge; tap end. FYI, I have yet to see it take more than 2 seconds (if that) for charge to end. The response is always immediate. I will be experimenting with the app in March in known weak cell areas.
As far as plugging in with a Kona right now. Taken December 27, 2019 in Lacey WA. You have been warned. Its not a pretty sight... :shock:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/ieG1c463LZEgoPQx5
DougWantsALeaf
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I generally only use the app to start the charge with EA. It’s just easier.
WetEV
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30602 Santa Margarita Parkway
Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688
and
470 Airport Road
Willows, CA 95988
and
681 Leavesley Road
Gilroy, CA 95020
Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688
and
470 Airport Road
Willows, CA 95988
and
681 Leavesley Road
Gilroy, CA 95020
WetEV
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An interesting layout. Both some nose in and some "on the side" chargers. The Chademo seems to be one of the "on the side" slots.
danrjones
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That's a big set of chargers!
So does anyone know how CA's law change will impact EA?
So does anyone know how CA's law change will impact EA?
GRA
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Playing catch-up, as I'm about to head into the Yosemite backcountry tomorrow evening for several days of X-C skiing, and I'm still trying to get everything ready. IDK if I'll have time to post tomorrow and I'll be off-line for most of next week, so WetEV and others will need to keep monitoring and reporting the openings.
Anyway, per WetEV four additional sites to Burbank #2 opened on the 31st, all in California, making 28 for the month and 378 total: El Centro, CA (I-8 ex. 114); Buena Park, CA (S.R. 91 ex. 23B or I-5 ex. 116); Bishop, CA. (Jct. U.S. 6/395); Hesperia, CA (I-15 ex. 143).
In 2018, in just under 8 months EA opened 60 sites. Over all twelve months this year they've opened 318.
Per WetEV, three sites have opened, all in California, making 3 for the month and 381 total: Willows, CA (I-5 ex. 603); Gilroy, CA (U.S. 101 ex. 357); Rancho Santa Margarita (Urb., S.R. 241 ex. 19).
With the exception of Rancho Santa Margarita, Burbank #2 and maybe Buena Park, all of the above sites are primarily for road trips.
Willows is infill on I-5 north of Sacramento between Dunnigan and Anderson, nice to have rather than critical.
Gilroy is the first site south of San Jose on U.S. 101, and it's 126 miles to the site in Paso Robles, so that leg is now practical.
El Centro shortens the 171 mile leg between San Diego and Yuma to 112 miles.
Hesperia is close enough to the I-15 junction with 395 to serve both routes, although both need at least one more site to make them practical: Coso Junction on 395, Barstow or Baker on I-15, although you can use the EVgo site at Baker (103 miles) instead.
Bishop is critical for 395, and it's now reachable from Bridgeport (89 miles) to the north, but still needs Coso Junction from the south as Hesperia's 221 miles.
Anyway, per WetEV four additional sites to Burbank #2 opened on the 31st, all in California, making 28 for the month and 378 total: El Centro, CA (I-8 ex. 114); Buena Park, CA (S.R. 91 ex. 23B or I-5 ex. 116); Bishop, CA. (Jct. U.S. 6/395); Hesperia, CA (I-15 ex. 143).
In 2018, in just under 8 months EA opened 60 sites. Over all twelve months this year they've opened 318.
Per WetEV, three sites have opened, all in California, making 3 for the month and 381 total: Willows, CA (I-5 ex. 603); Gilroy, CA (U.S. 101 ex. 357); Rancho Santa Margarita (Urb., S.R. 241 ex. 19).
With the exception of Rancho Santa Margarita, Burbank #2 and maybe Buena Park, all of the above sites are primarily for road trips.
Willows is infill on I-5 north of Sacramento between Dunnigan and Anderson, nice to have rather than critical.
Gilroy is the first site south of San Jose on U.S. 101, and it's 126 miles to the site in Paso Robles, so that leg is now practical.
El Centro shortens the 171 mile leg between San Diego and Yuma to 112 miles.
Hesperia is close enough to the I-15 junction with 395 to serve both routes, although both need at least one more site to make them practical: Coso Junction on 395, Barstow or Baker on I-15, although you can use the EVgo site at Baker (103 miles) instead.
Bishop is critical for 395, and it's now reachable from Bridgeport (89 miles) to the north, but still needs Coso Junction from the south as Hesperia's 221 miles.
