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DougWantsALeaf said:
Another Chademo car
https://www.google.com/amp/s/insideevs.com/news/392343/levc-enters-japanese-market-plugin-taxi/amp/
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It should have CHAdeMO if it is sold in Japan, which is what that article is talking about.

Note, the article actually says:
fast charging capability: both CHAdeMO and CCS Combo
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So I suspect it won't have CHAdeMO if this EV (with an ICE generator) is sold elsewhere.
 
https://www.greencarreports.com/ne...tures-bigger-touchscreen-for-ev-compact-car

"The 2020 Leaf SL is only available with the bigger 62-kw battery and costs $44,825, including destination. It adds a heated steering wheel, heated mirrors, LED lights, leather upholstery, a power-adjustable driver's seat, rear HVAC, Bose audio, Nissan's suite of active driver-assistance features called ProPilot Assist, and a surround-view camera system."

I know there are discounts and rebates but these prices are to close to Model 3 prices for my comfort for a much less quality and sorry battery longevity tract record.

One guy in the comments claim to have purchased a 2019 Leaf with the 40 wKh battery for $13K net. Even for a S that sounds great. He stated the small battery is not selling so Nissan is dealing to move them.

Assuming Nissan returns my 2016 Leaf SL with a high specking battery with 4.5 year/75,000 mile battery coverage remaining I should be good for another 4 years when my wife plans to retire. At that time if Nissan is still trying to get traction in the EV market I think a used Model Y would be of interest. I really need the height of the Leaf over the Model 3 so I can get in and out of it. The Leaf is physically a good fit for me and my physical limitations today.

Full self driving is a real need in my case due to the arthritis. My 13 mile one way trip to town is 1.5 lane and 2 lane only and I take paths in town with traffic lights vs. stop signs unless it is 4 way stops.

I love our Leaf but the range down 40% in 3 years and 21.5K miles is not success. The 2015 with the 24 battery actually seems the best car today in a technical sense.

Hopefully the factory tech with the new Leaf computer system can find another reason for the short battery life in our car other than back battery technology. I told them to keep my Leaf and use it to get their two Leaf techs up to speed on the new computer system since they are only 75 miles from the factory.
 
GaleHawkins said:
https://www.greencarreports.com/ne...tures-bigger-touchscreen-for-ev-compact-car

"The 2020 Leaf SL is only available with the bigger 62-kw battery and costs $44,825, including destination. It adds a heated steering wheel, heated mirrors, LED lights, leather upholstery, a power-adjustable driver's seat, rear HVAC, Bose audio, Nissan's suite of active driver-assistance features called ProPilot Assist, and a surround-view camera system."

I know there are discounts and rebates but these prices are to close to Model 3 prices for my comfort for a much less quality and sorry battery longevity tract record.

One guy in the comments claim to have purchased a 2019 Leaf with the 40 wKh battery for $13K net. Even for a S that sounds great. He stated the small battery is not selling so Nissan is dealing to move them.

Assuming Nissan returns my 2016 Leaf SL with a high specking battery with 4.5 year/75,000 mile battery coverage remaining I should be good for another 4 years when my wife plans to retire. At that time if Nissan is still trying to get traction in the EV market I think a used Model Y would be of interest. I really need the height of the Leaf over the Model 3 so I can get in and out of it. The Leaf is physically a good fit for me and my physical limitations today.

Full self driving is a real need in my case due to the arthritis. My 13 mile one way trip to town is 1.5 lane and 2 lane only and I take paths in town with traffic lights vs. stop signs unless it is 4 way stops.

I love our Leaf but the range down 40% in 3 years and 21.5K miles is not success. The 2015 with the 24 battery actually seems the best car today in a technical sense.

Hopefully the factory tech with the new Leaf computer system can find another reason for the short battery life in our car other than back battery technology. I told them to keep my Leaf and use it to get their two Leaf techs up to speed on the new computer system since they are only 75 miles from the factory.
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Yeah, even SL Plus is way cheaper. My cash out the door price for S Plus is under $26k and that is complicated by the fact that I had 15 payments on an existing 40 kwh lease that had to be handled as part of the deal as well. So add another $5K for SL and still way cheaper than Tesla.

Another tidbit; I would have gotten an even lower price if I purchased and qualified for full fed tax credit because there are other perks available only to buyers. As a leaser, my options are very limited on getting a good overall price to purchase. Just another reason that the LEAF is still the best deal for me despite is predicted shortcomings.
 
While I don’t completely buy it, this article suggests that with V2G Chademo is starting a resurgence in Europe.

https://www.current-news.co.uk/news/moixa-honda-and-islington-council-launch-innovative-v2g-project
 
DougWantsALeaf said:
While I don’t completely buy it, this article suggests that with V2G Chademo is starting a resurgence in Europe.

https://www.current-news.co.uk/news/moixa-honda-and-islington-council-launch-innovative-v2g-project
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I thought it was about how to power the grid with our EV's.
 
DougWantsALeaf said:
While I don’t completely buy it, this article suggests that with V2G Chademo is starting a resurgence in Europe.

https://www.current-news.co.uk/news/moixa-honda-and-islington-council-launch-innovative-v2g-project
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Why?

I fail to understand how we cannot see the massive upside to this technology. Until CCS learns how, I will be "all in" on chademo.

The real problem is that we simply can't see the obvious.

Negating the 1996 Ice storm that took out ALL the power in Western WA, power outages are very very localized. In the recent 2 that I have had, each time, I drove to an area of the city that did have power and charge up, eat in warmth, etc. Frequently the "drive" was less than a mile to see lights (no stops that close unfortunately)

My house can't move. Not even 200 yards to the main street where they had power and we didnt for 60 hours last Winter. So I do what? Get a generator that I might use (Last year was first major power outage in the 6 years in my current location) every 2-3 years? Hope it runs when I need it? Get fuel for it since what I likely have is no longer any good? Hope the neighbors don't mind the noise cause I sure as hell aint going to smoke up the inside of anything.

OR...

I can simply look at my car as "gas can for the house"
;)
 
DaveinOlyWA said:
I fail to understand how we cannot see the massive upside to this technology. Until CCS learns how, I will be "all in" on chademo.
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Absolutely agree - this technology is critical to fulfilling the EV's best roles of transportation, emergency energy, CO2 reduction and grid stability. However, the EV manufacturers will need to step up with "smart charging" based warranties along with both CHAdeMO and CCS bidirectional protocols enabled.
 
We recently bought our first new car ever, a 2019 Leaf Plus S, for all of the above reasons AND because we looked at the records of the various available car manufacturers over the years: Chevy, Kia, Tesla simply do not have, for me, the reliability and durability ratings that Nissan has, nor the longevity in the EV market....
 
Thanks Doug- and in Canada also- they are incentivizing electric more than the US, especially the Province of Quebec (which has Hydro-Quebec as its supply). Lots of chargers and J-1772 was free in Montreal! One DC charge away....
 
Leaf is headed to the Philippines.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sg.news.yahoo.com/amphtml/nissan-leaf-coming-know-040005720.html

And Leaf beats Prius Plug in in Germany

https://www.autozeitung.de/nissan-leaf-toyota-prius-plug-hybrid-vergleichstest-197656.html
 
DougWantsALeaf said:
Leaf is headed to the Philippines.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sg.news.yahoo.com/amphtml/nissan-leaf-coming-know-040005720.html

And Leaf beats Prius Plug in in Germany

https://www.autozeitung.de/nissan-leaf-toyota-prius-plug-hybrid-vergleichstest-197656.html
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Which battery would that be? I'm sure they will come from Japan.
 
Did everyone see the carwow (I think) video posted a couple days ago where they ran a bunch of EVs to empty?

They ran the Leaf plus and I want to say it got around 200 miles or a bit more or less? Maybe someone can look it up. The champ was the Kia I believe, at least in terms of actual versus claimed. I have to think the Kona would also have done well. Many though were only around 75% of their claimed range.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH7V2tU3iFc
 
danrjones said:
Did everyone see the carwow (I think) video posted a couple days ago where they ran a bunch of EVs to empty?

They ran the Leaf plus and I want to say it got around 200 miles or a bit more or less? Maybe someone can look it up. The champ was the Kia I believe, at least in terms of actual versus claimed. I have to think the Kona would also have done well. Many though were only around 75% of their claimed range.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH7V2tU3iFc
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They got 207 miles of range in a SL. The rated epa range for an SL is 208. They however were using WlTP ratings and from what I can tell for the S. The leaf did fine.
 
According to www.fueleconomy.gov, it is 215.

I never said it was or was not fine, it is just interesting real world results.

Though it is interesting the luxury brands seem to struggle in real world range, even the model 3.
I was thinking it could be (at least for the tesla) because he was running the heater, and I think tesla still does not use a heat pump.

I think Kia and Leaf both have heat pumps.
 
They got 208 miles almost exactly out of a cold soaked battery (42F) with heat at 68F for entire journey with most at highway speed and a starting SOC of 95-96%. Really pretty good I thought.

Niro was amazing with 255 miles in same conditions and a battery per UDDS tests just a few kilowatts bigger than the Leaf.

At only 15 miles less than the M3 LR, Niro would have easily outperformed the SR+. Wish Carwow would have had one in the test.
 

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