people getting rid of their Leafs/EVs/PHEVs and going back to ICEVs

[Coinneach]

I still ride my motorcycle, a Vulcan 900. Not much, just on the weekends. But I can't imagine going back to an ICE car now, even with the mindset adjustments.

[LeftieBiker]

I was still riding a gas bike along with my Vectrix as late as two years ago, and trying to sell an ill-advised Ebay gas bike as late as last year. But now I'm done with gas bikes as well.

[lorenfb]

I was still riding a gas bike along with my Vectrix as late as two years ago, and trying to sell an ill-advised Ebay gas bike as late as last year. But now I'm done with gas bikes as well.

Here in SoCal with its great mountains and twisty roads, couldn't imagine not enjoying riding my Suzuki GSXR1000 or my Ducati 996
on a Sunday morning in the local mountains. Or riding with a group from SoCal to Laguna Seca (~ 350+ miles) for the weekend to
attend the World Super Bike races in the summer. As with any BEV, basically not having an unlimited range and an ubiquitous energy
network is a significant detriment to enjoying "the ride".

[finny47]

I have multiple vehicles, but my lease is ending in August and I won't be looking for another EV anytime soon. Leaf's heating system can't keep up with Chicago's cold weather and just kills the range in the winter. My 32 mile highway commute left me pulling in to work with 30-40% capacity. Charging at work is a must, but a crowded set of charging stations where people stay parked all day which is another big reason I'm not buying another for a while. I had to be to work before 7:50 am or I was screwed.

My Leaf went into Turtle mode trying to charge it today (at 56%) with a L2 Chargepoint. I drove it around the block and turned it off/on trying to get it to reset. I gave up. It cleared the error AFTER the tow truck dropped me off at the dealer. Unreal. Tow truck driver did say mine was the first Leaf he has towed, but has towed quite a few Teslas. Interesting...

I'll be back when EVs are built better for cold weather and I don't have to charge to get back home from a 60 mile winter highway round trip. I bought a motorcycle for my warm weather commute. 44 mpg and go as fast as necessary without a worry if I got to work before everyone else.

[LeftieBiker]

I'd suggest a 40kwh Leaf because it has more than enough range for you, but I'd be concerned about Hot Chicago Summers degrading the pack.

[cwerdna]

Two guys at my work sold their Model 3's. One of them is down to a BRoD (GM, IIRC extended-length) SUV as he said he didn't need his 3 as he moved to be much closer to work.

Another guy reached out to me late last year. He wanted to see and ask me questions about my Bolt. He apparently sold his 3 that day. His plan was to pick up an off-lease Bolt for cheap. I guess he's back to ICEV. IIRC, he lives in Oakland and was too concerned about his 3 being broken into wherever he parked it, esp. if at a BART station. He figured a Bolt wouldn't be as much of a target and if it were cheap, he wouldn't care so much about it being damaged.

[LeftieBiker]

True - the Bolt does look like an optioned Sonic.

[GetOffYourGas]

True - the Bolt does look like an optioned Sonic.

IMO, the Sonic is a nicer-looking car.

I often park my car in less-than-ideal places with little concern over it being broken into (except the fact that it is still fairly new looking). It's not quite what my father terms an "airport car" (i.e. a car attracts so little attention that you can leave unattended for weeks on end at an airport, and don't think twice about it being messed with), but I like being lower profile than a "everyone look at me" Tesla.

[cwerdna]

Two guys at my work sold their Model 3's. One of them is down to a BRoD (GM, IIRC extended-length) SUV as he said he didn't need his 3 as he moved to be much closer to work.

Another guy reached out to me late last year. He wanted to see and ask me questions about my Bolt. He apparently sold his 3 that day. His plan was to pick up an off-lease Bolt for cheap. I guess he's back to ICEV. IIRC, he lives in Oakland and was too concerned about his 3 being broken into wherever he parked it, esp. if at a BART station. He figured a Bolt wouldn't be as much of a target and if it were cheap, he wouldn't care so much about it being damaged.

I bumped into the Oakland guy at work today. I don't know him and had only met him probably that one time. He thanked me for some discounted new Bolt info I'd sent him but said he ended up buying a cheap Rav4 for (IIRC), a couple $K.

He's still waiting for used Bolts or other used EV to come down in price. He speculated that we'll see 400+ mile EVs, driving down prices of lesser range EVs like Bolts.

I guess he really changed his mind/tune about having a new Model 3 vs. a random used ICEV or EV. I sorta don't blame him given the rep that Oakland has and the amount of car break-ins in the Bay Area as well as possible damage from jerks.

I myself am rather angry that someone hit my Bolt in a hit and run at an unknown time and place. It was only spotted when the above guy came to see my Bolt late last year. He pointed it out to me. Someone hit the the side and corner of my rear bumper cover, putting in some creases, a crack, a dent and a TON of scratches. Bumper cover will have to be replaced.

Don't know if it happened at work or elsewhere or even when. I only have a time range of a few months and somehow I didn't notice due to a dirty car, I guess. Whoever hit me didn't leave a note. I'd rather not claim it with insurance for fear my rates may go up and for all I know, someone might hit me worse/rear end me after the repair. I'm guessing at least $1K to repair. Maybe I'll fixed after I get CA HOV sticker years down the road after the stickers expire (probably in 2025 per https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/fact-s ... icle-decal).

At my work, someone w/a Model 3 parked at work was also a hit and run victim by someone unknown who didn't leave a note. It's rather disturbing to me and probably many colleagues that we can have some jerks at work who won't take responsibility.

[danrjones]

Isn't there a law in CA that limits when your rates are allowed to go up?

I thought claiming an accident that wasn't your fault, such as the hit and run, wouldn't ding your rates.

I had someone throw a giant rock through my truck window a little over a year ago damaging my steering wheel and obviously the window and door. Sadly by the time my deductible was applied they covered only about half the total damage, and didn't cover items from inside.
Those items fell under my homeowner policy which has a much bigger deductible.

But they did not raise the rates on me.