Star Trek: Picard (warning: possible spoilers!)

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One complaint that I agree with is the relatively low plot density. A guy at my work and I agreed that what was covered in eps 1 to 4 of Picard would've probably been covered in 2 or 2.5 eps of TNG. It felt like we hadn't gotten that far by end of ep 4 of a 10 episode season.

Things really picked up in ep 5. By ep 6, I was concerned it'd be a low plot density snoozer but things picked up at the end.

I've overall seen very mixed reaction to the show w/reactions on opposite ends of the spectrum. A coworker who isn't a big Trek fan but I think her BF is (had only gotten thru ep 3 when we talked) felt the show was very disappointing. The polarized opinions I guess aren't that unexpected from any new Trek show that's different.
 
My only complaint is the plot premise of Romulans being absurdly ungrateful. The premise for the 2009 movie was beyond ridiculous -- a Romulan destroying entire planets because Spock, though risking his life to help, was too late to stop a supernova. The silliness persists in "Picard", where he helped save many Romulan lives before Starfleet put an end to it. "But hey, you gave up so screw you", say the Romulans. And so he has to pine and lament instead of being proud of having done so much good. I find a lot to like in the series, but it bothers me to see this "virtue shaming" aspect of contemporary culture find its way into the show.
 
I won't be staying in the thread, but I'll comment on the above. The Goldsman-Orsini fragment of the original Fringe crew are just as bad as JJ Abrams: they like big, stupid premises and 9/11 imagery more than they like making sense. I'm surprised the series isn't much worse than it is.
 
The below is a slight spoiler if you haven't seen ep 7.
https://twitter.com/jonathansfrakes/status/1236685565652643842
https://twitter.com/MMKhorshidian/status/1236686211273625600/photo/1 was cool too.
 
CBS offers a free month of All Access so you can binge-watch 'Picard'
https://www.engadget.com/2020-03-24-cbs-all-access-free-month-star-trek-picard.html

S1 finale is this week. There are only 10 eps. I'm unfortunately 2 eps behind due to the mess that is COVID-19 :(, so I may have to bow out of this thread until I'm caught up.
 
The finale was quite good and very emotional for me. I even rewatched the last half hour or so and found it still emotional.

A guy at work pointed out that Michael Chabon posts a lot of answers to questions at https://www.instagram.com/michael.chabon/. I had no idea. Unfortunately, I'm not normally an Instragram user and find the navigation on their iOS app to be umm... strange.

There is almost too much to read at this point. Since the finale (ep 10) is available, I would NOT take peek at it until you've finished ep 10.
 
This show is a lot of nothing...

PICARD is a slow moving glacier dressed up an science fiction action classic. It relies on our old nostalgic memories of what was a good series. It is like showing us a giant ice cream sundae.... BUT With only one scoop of ice cream and the rest is all whipped cream,,,, a lot of air.

This show had so many characters that had such small roles, and were forgotten during the season. That "Legolas" ninja boy just stood around the whole season. Seven Of Nine would come and go and would only be drinking, fighting, and my last memory of her at the end is that she is Gay... Really shallow characters. The beauty of the ST franchise was that each episode had a memorable story and the shows could concentrate on the individual characters, personalities and relationships.

Last episode was better, but made no sense....

1) The Romulans, the villains, were actually correct and were trying to save the Universe.... The robots WERE going to destroy the universe. Riker and the federation came to fight them to STOP them from fighting the robots?

2) The use of MacGuffins.... Those "brass knukle things" that fix the ship in 30 seconds by just imagining it, and instantly making thousands of copies of your ship?? Man, I want one of those???

3) The human "Data" guy spent his life making an android for him to become immortal and what does he do? Give his robot body to a 90 year old dead guy? I would have said... "Thanks for your service Picard.... BYE... Give me my new robot body...?

I am glad it is over and don't really need any more Picard shows....
 
powersurge said:
This show had so many characters that had such small roles, and were forgotten during the season. That "Legolas" ninja boy just stood around the whole season. Seven Of Nine would come and go and would only be drinking, fighting, and my last memory of her at the end is that she is Gay... Really shallow characters.
Re: the transient characters, yes, it seemed like they'd often pop up and then be killed. On the net, there seemed to be a running joke about what character would be killed next.

Yeah... that Raffi and Seven thing came out of nowhere. That was weird.
powersurge said:
I am glad it is over and don't really need any more Picard shows....
LOL! Well, it got renewed for season 2 even before season 1 aired.

That said, the opinions about the show have been pretty polarized. You're certainly not the first one to hate the show. I definitely wouldn't put it up there with my favorites: TOS and TNG. The one saving grace is that to me, this show and ST: D in their 1st seasons were a lot better than TNG season 1. Season 1 of TNG was mostly terrible and season 2 had quite a few turkeys.
 
powersurge said:
1) The Romulans, the villains, were actually correct and were trying to save the Universe.... The robots WERE going to destroy the universe. Riker and the federation came to fight them to STOP them from fighting the robots?

That's one interpretation. My grasp of it was that the Romulans and the Synths (or one of them) both interpreted "the warning" differently, as dictated by their own prejudice. It's reasonable to conclude what the warning actually meant may have been beyond either one's comprehension. The nature of the "Uber Synths" remains a mystery and will no doubt figure prominently in Season 2.
 
This is from the final scene of S1:E10 (sesaon finale):
https://www.facebook.com/groups/250973492245607/permalink/509983566344597/ - interesting to see that camera on an arm.
 
I'm the the middle of listening to https://www.npr.org/2020/07/02/886561522/sir-patrick-stewart-on-star-trek-picard. Someone at work pointed it out to me and later a friend did, as well. I'm using the Overcast app to listen to it at higher speeds.

Patrick Stewart is back as Captain Jean-Luc Picard in the CBS All Access series 'Star Trek: Picard.' He says he's changed as an actor over the years: "I am not averse to risk-taking and I don't judge myself." Stewart spoke with 'Fresh Air' producer Sam Briger about 'Picard,' his love of Shakespeare, and his brief time as a reporter.

WATCH: Jeri Ryan Shares Some of Her Earliest Memories of Star Trek (is just over 2 minutes long)
https://www.startrek.com/videos/watch-jeri-ryan-shares-some-of-her-earliest-memories-of-star-trek
 
Thanks @cwerdna for posting the link to the Picard interview/podcast (above)!
I didn't expect to find it on MNL...but I really liked S1 (and TNG is one of my all-time favorite Sci-Fi series).
 
We still have to watch the finale for season one. It's an interesting series, and we like it, but unfortunately it tends to put us both to sleep, even when it's "exciting." Fortunately, in the case of the one episode we both largely slept through, we each slept through a different part, so I was able to bring her up to speed on the Admonition (to be followed by the Slap On The Wrist?) and she was able to explain to me what they were talking about in the 200 minute storytelling session on the bridge of their ship...
 
Patrick Stewart's interview didn't really have much in the way of Picard show spoilers so it's safe to listen to even if you haven't watched the show or finished it.

Heh about the pacing of Picard show. I think somewhere I read that someone likened it to a 10 episode pilot or a 10 episode movie.
 
It's weird, actually. The pacing is fine - not too slow. I've just about decided that it's the soundtrack. The show may have a score that puts old people to sleep.
 
BTW, today is Patrick Stewart's birthday: https://www.startrek.com/videos/happy-birthday-sir-patrick-stewart. He just turned 80!

"Masked TNG actors at @SirPatStew’s 80th."
https://twitter.com/berman_rick/status/1282867166321098752?s=20
 
I only recently learned that https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Isa_Briones, who played Dahj, Soji and Sutra was in the play Hamilton and apparently the youngest lead to join the show: https://usa.inquirer.net/11701/fil-isa-briones-youngest-actor-hamilton-natl-tour.
 
So, anyone still want to talk about the series finale? Winged evil serpent machine gods, Data going to his grave, Picard going to his but doing a 180...? Actually the scenes with Data really disturbed me. Maybe that was intentional, maybe my own mortality has sensitized me to characters who look pre-embalmed while existing in a sterile environment...and then rot onscreen. And maybe most importantly, why no virtual Spot...?
 
Data was one of my favorite characters so any real goodbye was a nice idea but it seemed rushed. Too much cramed into the last episode.

Did they are say where they got his neuron to clone?

It was clear the last movie had set up B4 to replace data but the writers for Picard had other ideas. I know Brent felt he was getting too old to play data. But why not download data into the new body, and claim the new body ages?

Anyone remember the episode with data's mom, who turned out to be a Android? I think the writers forgot about her. Her body was programmed to age. But also it meant data was not the only android.
 
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