So you can buy a 30kwh Leaf with three bars lost, presumably for a good price. It has apparently had the BMS update already. It looks like a good bet to get a free new 40kwh battery for it.
2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses
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LeftieBiker said:
Its a hard decision if the 4 bar doesnt drop! As I know only in USA are installed the 40kwh in the 30kwh Leafs battery replacement.
In your opinion 180 QC and 800 L1/L2 charges, even used with negligence, could origin this kind of degradation? Or the pack have deep problems from factory?
Thanks.
The ones that degrade fast are either defective (in a way that we still don't understand) or have been exposed to large amounts of hot weather - day and night - for years. It is my somewhat educated GUESS that if the car resided where you live, then it's a good bet that it will lose that 4th capacity bar within a year or maybe two at most. As I said, it's a gamble.
LeftieBiker said:
I will think carefully and decide next week.
I also read somewhere on the web that there is a hypothetical conspiracy theory on the part of Nissan where it supposedly has everything controlled in terms of software and the bars drops when they want.
In fact, there are some testimonies that at around 70-75%, the SOH stabilizes a lot and stops down abruptly as before. I don't know, honestly!?
It is possible that Nissan tried, through programming, to make the 9th capacity bar a bit more persistent. We already know that, by making the 12th bar worth about 15% of capacity, they wanted the battery to seem fine until it fell below 85%. Still, the 9th bar does drop, and when it does, as long as the update was done and the pack wasn't tampered with, or heated above 120F in an oven, they will replace it. Just pick a dealership that knows what they are doing, and that doesn't try to prevent you from getting the replacement.
Dooglas
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I know of no documentation here or elsewhere which supports that theory.ac19 said:
GaleHawkins
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Dooglas said:
I agree with Dooglas. I know corporate Nissan had some hard business decisions to make about how to go forward and that was before the bat virus came along and set the world in a backwards spin. You have to watch the conspiracy stories because after all of these years I do not know who shot JFK.
ac19 said:Hi again.
As far as I was able to find out the leaf in question, it was a Nissan's demonstration vehicle for a while, where potential clients took test drives. This fact could partly explain the accelerated degradation of this battery.
If they kept it fully charged when not in use, that would do it.
LeftieBiker said:ac19 said:Hi again.
As far as I was able to find out the leaf in question, it was a Nissan's demonstration vehicle for a while, where potential clients took test drives. This fact could partly explain the accelerated degradation of this battery.
If they kept it fully charged when not in use, that would do it.
Yes, Nissan charged the car overnight at 6.6 kwh, for customers make the test drive in next day. Without the 80% charge limit on the leaf 30kwh the car probably spent many hours with 100% of battery.
GaleHawkins
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ac19 said:LeftieBiker said:ac19 said:Hi again.
As far as I was able to find out the leaf in question, it was a Nissan's demonstration vehicle for a while, where potential clients took test drives. This fact could partly explain the accelerated degradation of this battery.
If they kept it fully charged when not in use, that would do it.
Yes, Nissan charged the car overnight at 6.6 kwh, for customers make the test drive in next day. Without the 80% charge limit on the leaf 30kwh the car probably spent many hours with 100% of battery.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-renault-nissan-idUSKCN22503J
ac19 this sounds like Nissan is working on a plan so they can stay around long term which is key if we need warranty work down the road.
"The three companies will include the projects in their respective mid-term business plans, the paper said, without saying how it obtained the information.
Among other plans, the automakers intend to share EV motors and batteries, while Nissan and Renault will start building each other’s cars at factories in South America and Russia to boost production efficiency, the paper said."
Not sure what that statement means for the UK and USA TN plants future but as long as they are honoring battery warranty claims where they come from is not a concern perhaps.
cwerdna
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The bolded part (at other plants) is nothing new.GaleHawkins said:
For example, some Nissan Rogues for the US market came from Renault Samsung Motors in Busan, South Korea (https://web.archive.org/web/20171017001028/https://media.group.renault.com/global/en-gb/renault-samsung-motors/media/pressreleases/62390/renault-samsung-motors-exporte-le-nissan-rogue-vers-lamerique-du-nord1 and http://www.businesskorea.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=35429). For awhile, US market Rogues could come from 3 countries: US, South Korea and Japan.
Plans were known for a long time: https://reports.nissan-global.com/EN/?p=12234. You can see Renault badged cars in the video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPteNxadh7I which differs from the round logo of Renault Samsung Motors (https://www.renaultsamsungm.com/).
Nissan Micras started to be produced in France long ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onKWN-Oygnw.
Charging rate is measured in kW, not kWh. You mean 6.6 kW?ac19 said:
GaleHawkins
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cwerdna said:
https://russiabusinesstoday.com/e...-know-nothing-about-nissan-quitting-russia/
https://www.automotive-fleet.com/297131/nissan-sales-jump-14-3-in-south-america
Sounds like Nissan is on a tear in central and South America with Russia being a smaller niche perhaps. Time will tell for the Europe and USA markets. It sounds like the Renault and Nissan EV's are going to be similar at the core. That is positive I expect. Labor cost in the UK and USA may be more expensive but with lower shipping cost for those two markets .
cwerdna
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Not clear, as i don't follow. Russia and South America are lumped into "others" at https://www.nissan-global.com/EN/IR/RESULTS/2019/, it seems. Russia is broken out at https://www.nissan-global.com/EN/IR/INDIVIDUAL/LATESTSALES/2019/ but not South America.GaleHawkins said:
There were rumblings that the Datsun brand may end again (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-autoshow-tokyo-nissan-exclusive/exclusive-datsun-brand-set-to-go-as-nissan-rolls-back-ghosns-expansionist-strategy-sources-idUSKBN1X20NE). They'd introduced some low-cost vehicles like the Go and its variants for various less wealthy countries (e.g. India, Russia, Indonesia, etc.) A problem w/low-cost vehicles is low margins and low/no profits.
It looks like Nissan may not longer own any of Avtovaz and it's part of Groupe Renault now: https://group.renault.com/en/news-on-air/news/avtovaz-a-recovery-on-track/.
Anyway, we should probably continue Nissan and Renault corporate stuff that's not-Leaf related in another thread.
GaleHawkins
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cwerdna said:
Good points.
dean said:
It may be messages backed up in the inbox. Clearing some out may restore the ability to communicate via PM.
May update. 310 GID's 67.92 AH, SOH=85.45%, Hx=62.97%, 78576 total mi. 33647 mi on new battery. 21 DCFC and 651 l2 charges on the new battery. Battery actually improved slightly. That's the first time I've seen that happen. It still looks like it will last longer than the 100,000 mile warranty limit but it won't be very capable. I'm looking forward to Tesla's battery day announcements. Sounds as though Elon has some big news. The ID3 is scheduled to debut for sale in June and there are rumors that the ID4 will show up by fall although VW still claims that it will ship in 2021. GM is not going to build any new EV this year and Ford is still at the preliminary stage for the F150 and Mustang EV's. It still seems more likely that I'll see the Cybertruck before either GM or Ford get their trucks out. It appears that a single motor Model 3 or Model Y with the long range battery could be available soon. That would fit my needs quite nicely and be a little cheaper as well. The ID4 remains on the list but would need to come in under $40K before I'd consider it. I keep looking at the Cybertruck as a possible replacement for both the Leaf and my 2005 Tundra but I'm not sure about driving something that large full time.