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I'm always hearing how great everything is in Sweden, looks like they got it right again

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/496155-the-us-should-follow-swedens-approach-to-combating-covid-19
 
cwerdna said:
Since Bush came up, this call for unity was quite good. It's under 3 minutes long.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6lxKOfn8_E
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A nice video, but I read this morning that the idiot in chief blasted it for being an attack on him. As we all know everything is about Teflon Don.
 
LTLFTcomposite said:
I'm always hearing how great everything is in Sweden, looks like they got it right again
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All the way to the right. Oh, not correct, right wing.

Nationalism even in the face of a higher death toll. And wouldn't work in non-socialist economies.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2020/may/01/sweden-coronavirus-strategy-nationalists-britain


Correct was something like South Korea or Taiwan. 60,000+ fewer deaths. And counting.
 
LTLFTcomposite said:
I'm always hearing how great everything is in Sweden, looks like they got it right again

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/496155-the-us-should-follow-swedens-approach-to-combating-covid-19
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Haven't read the article yet but this is the first time I've heard of a claim that Sweden's been handling this well from a health and safety POV.

It's been pointed out that Sweden has more COVID-19 deaths than nearby Norway, Finland and Denmark. You can see they are way worse in COVID-19 deaths per 1 million at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ than those countries, if you sort by that. Right now on that metric it's:
Sweden 291
Denmark 87
Finland 45
Norway 40

For kicks, here are those numbers for some of its other nearby countries:
Estonia 41
Latvia 9
Lithuania 18
Poland 19
Germany 86

Since South Korea and Taiwan were mentioned, those numbers are 5 and 0.3. Singapore was doing well, until it wasn't recently. They're at 3.
 
I would say 291 per capa falls way short of the apocalyptic predictions for any country not going into economic shutdown and lockdown.
 
They were down to 123 new cases on Monday and dropping fast. They are still taking precautions but doing so in a more sustainable way. I think we'll see that model adopted elsewhere.

As for it being worse in Sweden it's only marginally worse, certainly not apocalyptic. It's been pointed out you can flatten the curve but probably can't do much to reduce the area under the curve.
 
In Sweden they trust their government. There are social distancing rules, and the Swedes are following them to a greater degree than are Americans. Here we have to sort through crap-loads of conflicting and often very wrong directives from our governments, and when people do that they tend to pick the ones that best match what they want to do anyway.
 
I saw a news article that said Sweden didn't adopt the china style lock down and shutdown because they knew it wasn't sustainable and that the Xi virus was going to need a long term solution. The swede government knew people would revolt against a lockdown and shutdown and look what's happening people are revolutionizing against the lock down.

It would appear the people of sweden trust their government and the government knows their people.

Also new data out of new York is saying 60% of the people being hospitalized for this communist plegue are getting the virus while staying home, 90% claim they haven't been going out, haven't been using public transportation, ect. Go lock down...
I would say new york is doing a pretty good job proving its not really working.
 
Oilpan4 said:
I saw a news article that said Sweden didn't adopt the china style lock down and shutdown because they knew it wasn't sustainable and that the Xi virus was going to need a long term solution. The swede government knew people would revolt against a lockdown and shutdown and look what's happening people are revolutionizing against the lock down.

It would appear the people of sweden trust their government and the government knows their people.

Also new data out of new York is saying 60% of the people being hospitalized for this communist plegue are getting the virus while staying home, 90% claim they haven't been going out, haven't been using public transportation, ect. Go lock down...
I would say new york is doing a pretty good job proving its not really working.
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What a DB
 
Oilpan4 said:
I saw a news article that said Sweden didn't adopt the china style lock down and shutdown because they knew it wasn't sustainable and that the Xi virus was going to need a long term solution. The swede government knew people would revolt against a lockdown and shutdown and look what's happening people are revolutionizing against the lock down.

It would appear the people of sweden trust their government and the government knows their people.

Also new data out of new York is saying 60% of the people being hospitalized for this communist plegue are getting the virus while staying home, 90% claim they haven't been going out, haven't been using public transportation, ect. Go lock down...
I would say new york is doing a pretty good job proving its not really working.
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Who knows what's going on in that cesspool. One thing they do know is they have to code the deaths as kung flu if they want to get paid. Holding it up as the model for what everyone in flyover country should be doing is idiotic and people have about had their fill of it.
 
downeykp said:
Oilpan4 said:
I saw a news article that said Sweden didn't adopt the china style lock down and shutdown because they knew it wasn't sustainable and that the Xi virus was going to need a long term solution. The swede government knew people would revolt against a lockdown and shutdown and look what's happening people are revolutionizing against the lock down.

It would appear the people of sweden trust their government and the government knows their people.

Also new data out of new York is saying 60% of the people being hospitalized for this communist plegue are getting the virus while staying home, 90% claim they haven't been going out, haven't been using public transportation, ect. Go lock down...
I would say new york is doing a pretty good job proving its not really working.
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What a DB
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I have found it takes one to know one and the biggest one calls out the other ones.
 
Oilpan4 said:
I saw a news article that said Sweden didn't adopt the china style lock down and shutdown because they knew it wasn't sustainable and that the Xi virus was going to need a long term solution. The swede government knew people would revolt against a lockdown and shutdown and look what's happening people are revolutionizing against the lock down.

It would appear the people of sweden trust their government and the government knows their people.
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So your point is that Socialism works, eh? Odd you see you making that specific point about a response to ...the trumpvirus

The USA can't do the same as the Republican party has spread hate and fear of the government widely, including calls for stockpiling arms to use against their fellow citizens. Spread hate and fear of government, no chance of much trust in government.
 
LTLFTcomposite said:
Who knows what's going on in that cesspool. One thing they do know is they have to code the deaths as kung flu if they want to get paid. Holding it up as the model for what everyone in flyover country should be doing is idiotic and people have about had their fill of it.
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Excess deaths, more deaths than expected based on past history, show that the trumpvirus deaths are under counted.

As for claiming victory and that the "flyover country" shouldn't worry, excluding New York, cases are rising in the US. Lots of unexposed people out there. :cry:
 
LeftieBiker said:
I saw a news article that said...
Also new data out of new York is saying...
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Please post links to these sources, or at least name them.
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Omg, I literally found the article I happened to see at work along with about a dozen others with the first Google search I tried.
Are you really that helpless?

https://www.newsday.com/amp/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-long-island-new-york-covid19-1.44418223

Gov. Como is saying it, is that good enough for you?
 
WetEV said:
Oilpan4 said:
I saw a news article that said Sweden didn't adopt the china style lock down and shutdown because they knew it wasn't sustainable and that the Xi virus was going to need a long term solution. The swede government knew people would revolt against a lockdown and shutdown and look what's happening people are revolutionizing against the lock down.

It would appear the people of sweden trust their government and the government knows their people.
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So your point is that Socialism works, eh? Odd you see you making that specific point about a response to ...the trumpvirus

The USA can't do the same as the Republican party has spread hate and fear of the government widely, including calls for stockpiling arms to use against their fellow citizens. Spread hate and fear of government, no chance of much trust in government.
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Sweden has asked people like Bernie sanders (who sold out again and is no longer running for president) to please stop calling them socialist.

Oh please there was approximately 400 million firearms and around a trillion rounds of ammunition in the United States in private hands prior to 2016 according to small arms survey.
Plus there's no reason to use a gun when gasoline and road flares would do a better job.
 
Oilpan4 said:
WetEV said:
So your point is that Socialism works, eh? Odd you see you making that specific point about a response to ...the trumpvirus

The USA can't do the same as the Republican party has spread hate and fear of the government widely, including calls for stockpiling arms to use against their fellow citizens. Spread hate and fear of government, no chance of much trust in government.
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Sweden has asked people like Bernie sanders (who sold out again and is no longer running for president) to please stop calling them socialist.
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OK, then are you in favor of Swedish policies? Like universal health care, key to their response?

And paid sick leave policy? Another key?

Like all modern successful countries, Sweden is a mix of capitalism and socialism.


Oilpan4 said:
Oh please there was approximately 400 million firearms and around a trillion rounds of ammunition in the United States in private hands prior to 2016 according to small arms survey.
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The NRA has been preaching hate of the central government since the 1970's. The Republican party's hate started with fringe candidates like Goldwater, and became the mainstream of the party under Reagan.

Only about 36% of American people own guns. Mostly Republicans. Who threaten governments that don't do what they want.

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Oh, and not just governments. Private businesses can't make rules that gun owners don't like.

The dining area at a McDonald’s in Oklahoma City had been closed because of safety precautions intended to curb the spread of the novel coronavirus. But when two customers entered Wednesday evening and were informed of the rules, things got violent.

“They were asked to leave, and they refused and produced a gun,” ...

Two employees were shot and a third injured after hitting her head during the scuffle.
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NRA rules. Pull gun, get what you want. Private property doesn't matter, if you have the gun and they don't.
 

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