COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

cwerdna said:

2 deaths, 45 coronavirus cases linked to Skagit Valley choir practice on March 10
https://www.king5.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/two-covid-19-deaths-linked-to-skagit-valley-choir-practice/281-7c1d67fe-dc0a-42d1-9537-e4dfb7ab3d1a

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https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6919e6.htm seems to be a CDC study on the above event.

Following a 2.5-hour choir practice attended by 61 persons, including a symptomatic index patient, 32 confirmed and 20 probable secondary COVID-19 cases occurred (attack rate = 53.3% to 86.7%); three patients were hospitalized, and two died. Transmission was likely facilitated by close proximity (within 6 feet) during practice and augmented by the act of singing.

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Lockdown protesters shout 'be like Sweden' — but Swedes say they are missing the point
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/lockdown-protesters-shout-be-sweden-swedes-say-they-are-missing-n1207566

According to the Swedes, however, American admirers of their approach are confusing their own beliefs with what is a prudent and carefully planned public health policy.
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“I would describe these Republicans as turncoats,” Ragnarsson, who lives in Stockholm, says.

“You run the risk of sacrificing a large proportion of low-income earners and others who do not have adequate health insurance,” she says.

All Swedes have access to health care regardless of their income or ability to pay, and lifting a lockdown in the country would not leave the poor much more vulnerable to disease.

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'be like Sweden'? Maybe the US can finally discuss the 's-word' in an intelligent manner.

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New York barber who 'illicitly' cut hair for weeks has coronavirus
https://www.fox5ny.com/news/new-york-barber-who-illicitly-cut-hair-for-weeks-has-coronavirus

Today's shorter bike ride of 7.5 miles (trying to beat a storm front) showed me no masks. I wear a light balaclava that I pull over my nose and mouth as needed. I did find a kid's mask lying on my sidewalk this morning.

Everyone here on the Big Island wears a mask. We are fortunate that we live on an island and can dictate what people who fly in do. Our 14 day mandatory quarantine for travel between islands and for anyone coming from off island has helped us to keep out numbers low. As of today we have 1 active case.
Our county also has an order that you must wear a mask to go into any business. I have not seen anyone not wearing a mask in any business I have been to. So here it is working well. But as soon as they let tourists back things will get really out of control. Health care here is pretty bad in the best of times so it would be easy to overwhelm the health care that we have.

WetEV said:

Oilpan4 said:

NRA rules. Pull gun, get what you want. Private property doesn't matter, if you have the gun and they don't.

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Try that and let us know how it turns out.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/coronavirus-michigan-republicans-whitmer/2020/05/12/54975e1a-9466-11ea-82b4-c8db161ff6e5_story.html

OWOSSO, Mich. — Armed members of the Michigan Home Guard stood outside Karl Manke's barbershop, ready to blockade the door if police arrived. They were determined to help Manke, 77, reopen his shop Monday, in defiance of state orders, and dozens joined them, wearing Trump sweatshirts and Trump cowboy hats and waving Trump flags.

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Isn't that just ... Special?

77 isn't a good age to get Covid-19. Hopes and prayers.

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Thank you that story "made my day" haha.

goldbrick said:

'be like Sweden'? Maybe the US can finally discuss the 's-word' in an intelligent manner.

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Sure.
They have a school voucher program and no minimum wage and a strict rigorously enforced immigration system.
I can talk about that kind of socialism all day.

Oilpan4 said:

Sure.
They have a school voucher program and no minimum wage and a strict rigorously enforced immigration system.
I can talk about that kind of socialism all day.

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State mandated minimum wage not needed - they have powerful and effective unionization, and those organizations negotiate rates that become what is effectively the minimum wage within their membership. The least you could do is understand the subject you're writing about before you write.

mwalsh said:

Oilpan4 said:

Sure.
They have a school voucher program and no minimum wage and a strict rigorously enforced immigration system.
I can talk about that kind of socialism all day.

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State mandated minimum wage not needed - they have powerful and effective unionization, and those organizations negotiate rates that become what is effectively the minimum wage within their membership. The least you could do is understand the subject you're writing about before you write.

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So what you're saying is the unions are everywhere and no one can get a job unless they are part of a union?
That sounds wonderful as I have only found unions serve 3 purposes.
Collect dues.
Protect the hierarchy.
Protect and promote nepotism and/or incompetence.
You say they protect minimum wage but unions are the only entity in the United States that can get away with violating minimum wage laws.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/200-possibly-exposed-coronavirus-religious-service-violated-stay/story?id=70733928

California public health officials have notified more than 180 people that they may have been exposed to the coronavirus at a religious service held in violation of the state's stay-at-home order.

The Butte County public health department said Friday that an attendee at the service tested positive for the virus a day after the event.

Department officials said they have instructed the 180-plus people who attended the May 10 service to self-quarantine. Officials were also working to get them tested.

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Staying in is working so good.

Yahoo news:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/no-spike-coronavirus-places-reopening-132442853.html

"Authorities are not seeing spikes in coronavirus cases in places that are reopening but are seeing increases in some areas that remain closed, U.S. health secretary Alex Azar said on Sunday."

Egg on face, crow in stomach of all the "lockdown everyone, everything, everywhere" believers.
Now some places like NY city, dense parts of NJ, Detroit probably should stay locked down. But it's time to open about 99% of the land area of the United States

Most people show no or mild symptoms for a week after infection.

Two weeks later, most show mild symptoms.

About three weeks after infection is when the "fun" really starts, for some.

Declaring victory after a week seems just a bit early. Don't you think?

Oilpan4 said:

Staying in is working so good.

Yahoo news:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/no-spike-coronavirus-places-reopening-132442853.html

"Authorities are not seeing spikes in coronavirus cases in places that are reopening but are seeing increases in some areas that remain closed, U.S. health secretary Alex Azar said on Sunday."

Egg on face, crow in stomach of all the "lockdown everyone, everything, everywhere" believers.
Now some places like NY city, dense parts of NJ, Detroit probably should stay locked down. But it's time to open about 99% of the land area of the United States

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Article is BS. Takes a single set of facts and creates a causal analysis from that. If that is your definition of news, then so be it. But please keep it to yourself.

Oilpan4 said:

Staying in is working so good.

Yahoo news:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/no-spike-coronavirus-places-reopening-132442853.html

"Authorities are not seeing spikes in coronavirus cases in places that are reopening but are seeing increases in some areas that remain closed, U.S. health secretary Alex Azar said on Sunday."

Egg on face, crow in stomach of all the "lockdown everyone, everything, everywhere" believers.
Now some places like NY city, dense parts of NJ, Detroit probably should stay locked down. But it's time to open about 99% of the land area of the United States

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Article is BS. Takes a single set of facts and creates a causal analysis from that. If that is your definition of news, then so be it. But please keep it to yourself.

Spikes from 're-openings' won't be seen for at least another week. Two weeks in most places. The main source of 'BS' here is the US government, followed by the militia-programmed protesters.

DaveinOlyWA said:

Oilpan4 said:

Staying in is working so good.

Yahoo news:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/no-spike-coronavirus-places-reopening-132442853.html

"Authorities are not seeing spikes in coronavirus cases in places that are reopening but are seeing increases in some areas that remain closed, U.S. health secretary Alex Azar said on Sunday."

Egg on face, crow in stomach of all the "lockdown everyone, everything, everywhere" believers.
Now some places like NY city, dense parts of NJ, Detroit probably should stay locked down. But it's time to open about 99% of the land area of the United States

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Article is BS. Takes a single set of facts and creates a causal analysis from that. If that is your definition of news, then so be it. But please keep it to yourself.

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The lockdown and shutdown is BS for most of the country not that I have have abided by it at all. Still running up 1,100 to 1,200 miles each month in my leaf.
A few more weeks the evidence will be overwhelming one way or the other pretty sure we all know which way that is going to be.

LeftieBiker said:

Spikes from 're-openings' won't be seen for at least another week. Two weeks in most places. The main source of 'BS' here is the US government, followed by the militia-programmed protesters.

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I've seen charts of the 1918 flu that show 3 major infection curves - summer then winter 1918, and spring 1919. The second one, in winter 1918, was massive compared to the first. Even the third wave was bigger than the first one. Not saying that the same will happen now, but I think we're in for a rough summer. Maybe a worse winter without some kind of breakthrough.

Covid-19 is predicted to depress electric car sales by 18%.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/electric-car-sales-fall-not-040512060.html

And gas car sales fall by 23%.

mwalsh said:

LeftieBiker said:

Spikes from 're-openings' won't be seen for at least another week. Two weeks in most places. The main source of 'BS' here is the US government, followed by the militia-programmed protesters.

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I've seen charts of the 1918 flu that show 3 major infection curves - summer then winter 1918, and spring 1919. The second one, in winter 1918, was massive compared to the first. Even the third wave was bigger than the first one. Not saying that the same will happen now, but I think we're in for a rough summer. Maybe a worse winter without some kind of breakthrough.

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I'm hoping that even our spotty social distancing, along with much better medical science, will hold the second wave to roughly the size of the first. Also, if Winter waves are even a little larger than Summer waves, that should work in our favor. There are still going to be tens of thousands of avoidable deaths, and many of them will be due to the reckless actions of other people, not of the ones dying. A lot of grandparents and older people who have to go out and shop once or twice a month are going to die this year...