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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:20 pm

Maybe Leaf Plus coming down in price?
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:42 pm

danrjones wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:29 am
Here is Car and Driver's highway ranges. YMMV but not close to 300 EPA under 30k:

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Holy crap! How many speeding tickets did they get while testing? All those are low. Need a lot of details on how the test was done. Realize, the EPA for the LEAF Plus is based on Nissan instrumentation from 100 to 1% SOC and that still leaves 20 miles on the table. Actually 10% or 22.6 miles if you will.
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:24 pm

Table seems to come from https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-a ... explained/. It says they tested at 75 mph and unfortunately under varied climate conditions like the with the Model 3 around freezing temps.

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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:19 am

cwerdna wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:24 pm
Table seems to come from https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-a ... explained/. It says they tested at 75 mph and unfortunately under varied climate conditions like the with the Model 3 around freezing temps.
ok, so crap reporting at best.
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:46 am

There are some really odd results. The EVs with the best aerodynamics (lowest CoD) seem to have a larger gap between their test and the EPA results, which doesn't make any sense since aerodynamic drag should be the biggest factor determining efficiency at those speeds.

How does the LEAF Plus have a closer gap between EPA and "real world" than a model 3 or a Kona Electric?

Got a feeling the testers had a heavy foot on the accelerator pedal, making the faster accelerating EVs seem worse than they should be.

If so, that's pretty useless comparison data
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:32 am

alozzy wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:46 am
There are some really odd results. The EVs with the best aerodynamics (lowest CoD) seem to have a larger gap between their test and the EPA results, which doesn't make any sense since aerodynamic drag should be the biggest factor determining efficiency at those speeds.

How does the LEAF Plus have a closer gap between EPA and "real world" than a model 3 or a Kona Electric?

Got a feeling the testers had a heavy foot on the accelerator pedal, making the faster accelerating EVs seem worse than they should be.

If so, that's pretty useless comparison data
TMS. All ya gotta do is test them all on a cold day.
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:29 pm

The varying test conditions aside, 75 mph seems perfectly reasonable. All the highways around me that's about the average driving speed. I always keep my leaf at 70 mph but otherwise I'd probably be around 75 as well.

Speed limits when you hit AZ or other states are even higher.

That's exactly why I think the EPA needs to put separate combined (or just city) and highway ratings. As I said earlier, almost any EV now has plenty of "city" range for me, even my current 40 kWh Leaf. Plenty of range. Only charge about every 3-4 days.

But the moment I hit the highway, its not nearly enough range.
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:47 pm

danrjones wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:29 pm
The varying test conditions aside, 75 mph seems perfectly reasonable. All the highways around me that's about the average driving speed. I always keep my leaf at 70 mph but otherwise I'd probably be around 75 as well.

Speed limits when you hit AZ or other states are even higher.
Depends on where.

IIRC, the speed limits of some of the highways around/in the Seattle area were only 60 mph. And, people drive slow in Western WA. People go at or below the speed limit in the "fast lane" for no reason (daylight, dry, nobody in front) and often, don't move over when cars are piling up behind them.

For some highways, the speed limits would go up as you got further from populated metro areas.

This is in contrast to say the LA area, where I distinctly remember going over 70 mph in the middle lane of 55 mph zone of i-5 and cars were going by on both sides of me, including some zooming by (happens all the time in LA but not as much in the SF Bay Area).

In my part of the Bay Area, the speed limits are 65 mph at max (w/a few highways a bit lower) and 75 mph all the time in those would likely land you some tickets.

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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:01 pm

cwerdna wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:47 pm
danrjones wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:29 pm
The varying test conditions aside, 75 mph seems perfectly reasonable. All the highways around me that's about the average driving speed. I always keep my leaf at 70 mph but otherwise I'd probably be around 75 as well.

Speed limits when you hit AZ or other states are even higher.
Depends on where.

IIRC, the speed limits of some of the highways around/in the Seattle area were only 60 mph. And, people drive slow in Western WA. People go at or below the speed limit in the "fast lane" for no reason (daylight, dry, nobody in front) and often, don't move over when cars are piling up behind them.

For some highways, the speed limits would go up as you got further from populated metro areas.

This is in contrast to say the LA area, where I distinctly remember going over 70 mph in the middle lane of 55 mph zone of i-5 and cars were going by on both sides of me, including some zooming by (happens all the time in LA but not as much in the SF Bay Area).

In my part of the Bay Area, the speed limits are 65 mph at max (w/a few highways a bit lower) and 75 mph all the time in those would likely land you some tickets.
That's true of course. I'm thinking Southern and Eastern CA and Arizona and Nevada and beyond. The open roads so to speak. The posted speed limit in AZ and I-40 is 75 but most are doing 80 or more. In my area the official speed limit on US-395 and CA-14 is 65 or 70 depending on the area but traffic routinely is going 75. I'm certain I've seen posted limits out in Nevada at 80.
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:47 pm

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Dropping even a few mph at highway speeds has a huge impact on range, The range of ICE cars on a full tank is heavily impacted by high speeds too, it just takes a lot less time to fill up than to charge up right now, but that gap is slowly closing. Tesla supercharging certainly makes longer, high speed trips more tolerable.
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