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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:20 am

Dave, You’re welcomed to do that. Where will you do that? Here? Or on your website?

There are 17 now. I’ll keep the list updated and if you want to write about each company who are actually doing installs then I think that’ll be great.

Maybe you should number the companies 001 through 017. Fenix was the first i ever heard of then Muxsan and then I’ll have to look back in my notes to see who was next.

I’m sure eventually there will be 50 companies.

Sal


DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 7:53 am
UBUYGAS wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 7:13 am
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 6:37 am

I am only tracking a few places. Its all a matter of when someone in your region will pick up the ball and run with it.
Dave, I have 16 companies on my list and it keeps growing. 13 to 14 of them have installed salvaged packs into old LEAFs.

I have the list here on a post from 3 days ago and also available by clicking this URL: http://NewLEAFbattery.com/

Fenix May still prove useful if they can get the ball rolling and are able to do their monthly payment plan.

I’m still at a point financially that $99 a month is a lot easier than paying $8000 in one shot.

Sal
Might be an idea to start a thread tracking these companies "after" they have had a successful install?
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http://NissanLEAFbatteryReplacement.com

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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:33 am

This is from an email I received last night:

#FenixPowerCo is ready to install your batteries.

New Fenix partners help launch subscriptions!

https://systems.us14.list-manage.com/tr ... 286facc622


And this is my understanding on the costs:

This is for CPO packs. Not the Thermally managed Fenix packs they've been talking about for 18 months.

Fenix costs

There are 3 costs:

Installation:

Battery Cost:

Warranty:

Installation has always been from day 1 $1500 and they had a discount on that if you pre-ordered. I told people over and over to pre-order early to get the lowest installation price. They claim they have 700 pre-orders. Most of those people paid between $103 to $150 towards their install cost. (The people with the $103 used my discount codes) Depending when you paid, the earliest people got the best deal.

I paid $150 in 2018 and that's all I will pay for installation. Some people waited till the install cost was $300, or $600 or $750. And unfortunately some people did not listen to me and pre-order and those people will pay $1500 to install.
The people who pre-ordered when the install deal was $300 will owe $150 on the day they get their
battery installed.

The people who pre-ordered when the cost was $750 still owe $600 for installation.

And the people who did not pre-order will pay $1500 for installation.

BATTERY COST:
$2499 in Cash or $150 a month for 24 months.

WARRANTY:
$14.99 a month if you want it.




cwerdna wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:22 am
https://fenix.systems/news/fenix-news/2 ... rst-flight talks

about June 21st and
What's a flight? And why is boarding ending?

In order to find a good balance between fast delivery and optimized shipping, we are adopting a

deployment plan that steps right into a long-term installation cadence. To achieve this, instead of

having just one launch, we have 16 launches each year, each launch starts a group of new customers

away from battery worries. We're calling these groups; Flights, and here's how they will work:

Every flight will last up to 10 weeks, most will be closer to 8.
The first 3 weeks are open for "Boarding", essentially the sign-up period.
Week 4 batteries begin to ship to installers.
Week 5 installation scheduling begins.
Weeks 6-9 Battery installations.
Weeks 10+ Enjoying that new car feeling all over again!

Since we're starting in the middle of 2020, our first Flight didn't start boarding until, the first

week of June, week 23, which means we will only have 10 Flights this year. While we already have

quite a few of you checked in for Flight 1, boarding for Flight 1 will be closing faster than you

think! All of our weeks begin on Monday and end Sunday night, so boarding for our inaugural flight

is scheduled to end today, Sunday, June 21st!
It lists 14 areas and if I counted correctly, we should start hearing about installation of "CPO"

Leaf batteries beginning the week of July 19th.

Will be interesting to see if anything materializes...
For a list of aftermarket Nissan LEAF battery installers click the URL below: (If you are or know another that is not on my list please let me know so I can add them. Thanks!)

http://NissanLEAFbatteryReplacement.com

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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:06 am

That's pretty reasonable. Do they offer 40's as replacements for 24s? Or just the 24kW batteries?
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:52 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:06 am
That's pretty reasonable. Do they offer 40's as replacements for 24s? Or just the 24kW batteries?
that would be "24 kwh" and no.
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:24 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:06 am
That's pretty reasonable. Do they offer 40's as replacements for 24s? Or just the 24kW batteries?
Dave, They said BigBattery, who is their supplier has a 1000 24kWh packs and hardly any 30's. No 40's or 62's
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:12 am

Has Fenix thought about buying up 2013 Leafs in good condition and very degradated batteries, upgrade the batteries and then flip the cars for both mild profit and an additional subscription customer?
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:56 am

cwerdna wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:22 am
https://fenix.systems/news/fenix-news/2 ... rst-flight talks about June 21st and
What’s a flight? And why is boarding ending?

In order to find a good balance between fast delivery and optimized shipping, we are adopting a deployment plan that steps right into a long-term installation cadence. To achieve this, instead of having just one launch, we have 16 launches each year, each launch starts a group of new customers away from battery worries. We’re calling these groups; Flights, and here’s how they will work:

Every flight will last up to 10 weeks, most will be closer to 8.
The first 3 weeks are open for “Boarding”, essentially the sign-up period.
Week 4 batteries begin to ship to installers.
Week 5 installation scheduling begins.
Weeks 6-9 Battery installations.
Weeks 10+ Enjoying that new car feeling all over again!

Since we’re starting in the middle of 2020, our first Flight didn’t start boarding until, the first week of June, week 23, which means we will only have 10 Flights this year. While we already have quite a few of you checked in for Flight 1, boarding for Flight 1 will be closing faster than you think! All of our weeks begin on Monday and end Sunday night, so boarding for our inaugural flight is scheduled to end today, Sunday, June 21st!
It lists 14 areas and if I counted correctly, we should start hearing about installation of "CPO" Leaf batteries beginning the week of July 19th.

Will be interesting to see if anything materializes...
We're almost at the end of July.

Has there been any word of successful installs of used Leaf batteries by this outfit?

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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:36 am

cwerdna wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:56 am
We're almost at the end of July.

Has there been any word of successful installs of used Leaf batteries by this outfit?
An additional question: Has there been any word of anyone successfully getting their supposedly-fully-refundable deposit back? Five months after requesting a refund and many emails to them later, I have received zero responses from them.

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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:45 am

cwerdna wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:56 am
cwerdna wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:22 am
https://fenix.systems/news/fenix-news/2 ... rst-flight talks about June 21st and
What’s a flight? And why is boarding ending?

In order to find a good balance between fast delivery and optimized shipping, we are adopting a deployment plan that steps right into a long-term installation cadence. To achieve this, instead of having just one launch, we have 16 launches each year, each launch starts a group of new customers away from battery worries. We’re calling these groups; Flights, and here’s how they will work:

Every flight will last up to 10 weeks, most will be closer to 8.
The first 3 weeks are open for “Boarding”, essentially the sign-up period.
Week 4 batteries begin to ship to installers.
Week 5 installation scheduling begins.
Weeks 6-9 Battery installations.
Weeks 10+ Enjoying that new car feeling all over again!

Since we’re starting in the middle of 2020, our first Flight didn’t start boarding until, the first week of June, week 23, which means we will only have 10 Flights this year. While we already have quite a few of you checked in for Flight 1, boarding for Flight 1 will be closing faster than you think! All of our weeks begin on Monday and end Sunday night, so boarding for our inaugural flight is scheduled to end today, Sunday, June 21st!
It lists 14 areas and if I counted correctly, we should start hearing about installation of "CPO" Leaf batteries beginning the week of July 19th.

Will be interesting to see if anything materializes...
We're almost at the end of July.

Has there been any word of successful installs of used Leaf batteries by this outfit?
I have seen on post announcing that someone has been contacted to schedule an install date.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 13,705 mi, 93.41% SOH
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:27 am

I do hope people realize that they are paying for a battery refurb that Fenix only guarantees will start out with more than 9 bars.
And although I think that at least some of the offers have free battery replacement at 8- bars, I'm not sure that warranty includes installation costs. It surely does not cover any costs or time involved in getting the LEAF to the installer.

Worse case, people are buying ~ 7% capacity over the level that Nissan agreed to warranty replacement during the eligible years/miles.
Or viewed a little differently, if a LEAF just lost its 9th bar, a Fenix replacement may be adding as little as 4-5 miles of range for an uncertain time but almost certainly less time than a non-refurb battery would have given.

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