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https://www.cbsnews.com/video/floridians-sue-over-mask-mandate-as-covid-19-cases-surge/ in this 2 minute video featured an anti-masker (presumably in Arkansas) who said ” The government is here to protect our Constitution, not to protect our health.” :roll:

Another guy, presumably in Florida said “I’m not going to wear a mask to make somebody else feel comfortable.” :roll:

https://people.com/health/florida-surpasses-new-york-second-highest-coronavirus-cases/
The Sunshine State has also seen a significant rise in hospitalizations due to the coronavirus. Earlier this month, the Agency for Health Care Administration reported that 54 hospitals in Florida have zero available beds in their intensive care units, while another 40 hospitals in the state reportedly have less than 10 percent bed availability in their ICUs.

Ten of the hospitals with no ICU beds available are located in Miami-Dade County, the state's current COVID-19 hotspot.
 
It's certainly possible to argue about the correct role of government. For me, I don't believe it's the role of government to protect me from the consequences of my own voluntary actions. I think it's the role of government to protect me from the harmful actions of others when I haven't agreed to be put at risk by them.

Which is to say, if I or any other competent adult chooses to risk our lives doing something that seems stupid to others, that's our call, but we don't get to choose to risk someone else's life while doing so, without their permission.

Mask regulations fall into the latter category, along with e.g. laws against DUI and reckless driving.
 
A friend of mine's a Sheriff's deputy who works out at the county jail, where they had an outbreak last month. Over the weekend a co-worker of his died from Covid and I texted him today to see if he knew him, and if he and his family were healthy. I last texted him while I was on Shasta, about the 14th or 15th. Here's his replies:

"I knew him. I have been sick. I tested positive for COVID. I am recovering. I will let you know when I am out of quarantine."

I asked him if he was staying in a hotel, and how his wife (who also works at the jail) and daughter were.

"(His daughter) is out of town with her cousins. She came to see us yesterday. Me and (his wife) sleep in separate rooms. I tested July 18. It took a week to get the result. July 26 the result was positive. At this time I have overcome all symptoms. (Wife's) test result has not come in yet."

I asked him what symptoms he had.

"At the worst, high temp about 102, head ache. Gripping pain across stomach and chest. Loss of taste and loss of breathe."

I wrote that sounded pretty miserable.

"Yes all of that. The full Monty. I have gotten over the symptoms. I have none now, other than feeling weak. To put the way I feel in context, a month ago I walked up Mission peak with a 40 lb pack. Now I get winded walking into the kitchen get something to eat."
 
I've read a few articles lately about lingering effects of the virus on people who have had it and recovered. Will those people fully recover or are they permanently compromised? There is still so much that is unknown.

There is also a lot of press lately about the effects of the virus on the heart, and it's not good.

Then there is the question of what happens in later life to young people who catch it now? I'm of the age where I'm susceptible to shingles since I'm that age and I had chicken pox as a kid. I got the vaccine just before the Covid thing hit so I should be protected there but the attitude that 'I'm young, this can't hurt me' is just foolish.
 
My friend continues to recover. He's got a family history of heart attacks (father, older brother), so I pointed him to the recent studies from Germany on the possibility of heart damage.

His wife's test came back positive yesterday. I haven't heard back from him yet how she's doing.
 
Herman Cain has died.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/30/former-gop-presidential-candidate-herman-cain-dies-after-battle-with-coronavirus.html

I didn't like his politics, but I had a fondness for the person.

Wear a mask, avoid crowds.
 
A mask won't keep me from getting trumpvirus at all.
What will happen is my wife will get it because she works at a hospital and then I'll get it from her before she even suspects she has it.
 
WetEV said:
Herman Cain has died.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/30/former-gop-presidential-candidate-herman-cain-dies-after-battle-with-coronavirus.html

I didn't like his politics, but I had a fondness for the person.

Wear a mask, avoid crowds.
He did neither. He had tweeted that masks weren't necessary at the rally -- tweets he deleted after he announced he was infected.
Cain, a stage 4 cancer survivor, tweeted a photograph of himself at Trump's rally showing him surrounded by other attendees, none of whom appeared to be wearing masks or other protective gear.
 
And he tweeted "Masks will not be mandatory for the event, which will be attended by President Trump. PEOPLE ARE FED UP!"

I think the tweet was deleted but https://web.archive.org/web/20200704023918/https://twitter.com/THEHermanCain still has a copy.
 
Oilpan4 said:
A mask won't keep me from getting trumpvirus at all.
What will happen is my wife will get it because she works at a hospital and then I'll get it from her before she even suspects she has it.

Total HS
 
Hundreds of Georgia campers infected with coronavirus at YMCA camp in just days, CDC report finds
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/hundreds-georgia-campers-infected-with-coronavirus-ymca-summer-camp-cdc-report-finds/EL5FFTVSDVETRGROPEXK6CIZNM/
SARS-CoV-2 Transmission and Infection Among Attendees of an Overnight Camp — Georgia, June 2020
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6931e1.htm?s_cid=mm6931e1_w is the report.

A total of 597 Georgia residents attended camp A. Median camper age was 12 years (range = 6–19 years), and 53% (182 of 346) were female. The median age of staff members and trainees was 17 years (range = 14–59 years), and 59% (148 of 251) were female. Test results were available for 344 (58%) attendees; among these, 260 (76%) were positive. The overall attack rate was 44% (260 of 597), 51% among those aged 6–10 years, 44% among those aged 11–17 years, and 33% among those aged 18–21 years (Table). Attack rates increased with increasing length of time spent at the camp, with staff members having the highest attack rate (56%). During June 21–27, occupancy of the 31 cabins averaged 15 persons per cabin (range = 1–26); median cabin attack rate was 50% (range = 22%–70%) among 28 cabins that had one or more cases. Among 136 cases with available symptom data, 36 (26%) patients reported no symptoms; among 100 (74%) who reported symptoms, those most commonly reported were subjective or documented fever (65%), headache (61%), and sore throat (46%).
 
downeykp said:
Oilpan4 said:
A mask won't keep me from getting trumpvirus at all.
What will happen is my wife will get it because she works at a hospital and then I'll get it from her before she even suspects she has it.

Total HS

Change my mind.

If my wife gets it from some drain circler, starts spreading the trumpvirus for 3 or 4 days with no symptoms how is a stupid little mask with gaps on at least 3 sides going to stop me from getting trumpvirus from some one I'm in close contact with 12 to 24 hours a day?

The answer is, it's not.
Best case scenario it delays me getting trumpvirus for a day, but probably only a few hours.
 
https://www.boston.com/news/crime/2020/08/03/not-handling-the-pandemic-well-man-fires-at-cops-with-ak-47-after-refusing-to-wear-a-mask-police-say
When a cigar shop clerk told Adam Zaborowski on Friday that he had to wear a mask in the shop, the 35-year-old angrily refused. Instead, he grabbed two stogies, stormed outside — and then pulled a handgun and shot at the clerk, Bethlehem Township, Pa., police said.

The next day, cornered near his home, Zaborowski allegedly fired at police with an AK-47, sparking a wild shootout with at least seven officers that ended with him shot multiple times and under arrest.
 
Oilpan4 said:
downeykp said:
Oilpan4 said:
A mask won't keep me from getting trumpvirus at all.
What will happen is my wife will get it because she works at a hospital and then I'll get it from her before she even suspects she has it.

Total HS

Change my mind.

If my wife gets it from some drain circler, starts spreading the trumpvirus for 3 or 4 days with no symptoms how is a stupid little mask with gaps on at least 3 sides going to stop me from getting trumpvirus from some one I'm in close contact with 12 to 24 hours a day?

The answer is, it's not.
Best case scenario it delays me getting trumpvirus for a day, but probably only a few hours.

A valid assessment, despite the heartless "drain circler" comment. If she's at high risk she'd do well to protect you by wearing a mask at home. Her wearing a mask would be far more effective than yours if she were contagious.
 
White House makes random coronavirus testing mandatory for staff
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/03/white-house-makes-random-coronavirus-testing-mandatory-for-staff.html

Didn't someone say to slow down the testing and that if we didn't test, we wouldn't have cases? And, that it's harmless 99% of the time? How about being a hoax?

They may as well stop testing to make the numbers look better at the WH. After all, doing that would "solve" the problem --> "no" new cases.
 
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