Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

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cwerdna said:

I would hope that I don't have to go a low as $3900! I'm unfortunately (?), not in CO.

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I'd guess an 2013-2015 11 bar SV with Premium would fetch ~ $7000 here in CO unless there were issues with the car. Or not....most folks don't really understand the differences and go by year and mileage.

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As a random data point I recently sold my 2013 SV (no premium and no fast charge) with a 12 bar battery that was installed in 2018 for $5,500 in Southern California. I had it listed around $7k to start, then $6500 then $6000. I didn't get a single bite until I listed at $5500 and then got about 10 emails in a few days. It had about 60k miles with 12k on the new battery.

Yeah, last year when I traded in my 11 bar 2013 we received around 5 from the dealer, so that range sounds right a year on. The heavy discounts on the Leaf/Bolt/etc.. really push down the price in the used car market. New Leaf's are had in many places for under 20K.

Ok 2020 Leaf Plus owners, you have been playing coy with us. You didn't mention your Leaf now gets 342 miles of range...see in article posted.

https://evbite.com/electric-car-range-then-and-now/

I think they meant 242 miles based on WLTP.

DougWantsALeaf said:

Ok 2020 Leaf Plus owners, you have been playing coy with us. You didn't mention your Leaf now gets 342 miles of range...see in article posted.

https://evbite.com/electric-car-range-then-and-now/

I think they meant 242 miles based on WLTP.

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Could be a typo or some other inflated scale. Plus is rated at 570 km (354 miles) on the inflated JC08 test.

https://insideevs.com/news/342009/here-is-the-nissan-leaf-e-62-kwh-battery-video/
https://www3.nissan.co.jp/vehicles/new/leaf.html - scroll down about halfway

I commented to suggest that they proofread their articles...and in so doing made a minor typo. Dang. :|

I love the Leaf still gets the Photo Op.

https://news.google.com/articles/CBMib2h0dHBzOi8vY2xlYW50ZWNobmljYS5jb20vMjAyMC8wOC8wNC9icC10by1jdXQtb2lsLXByb2R1Y3Rpb24tNDAtYnktMjAzMC1hbmQtaW52ZXN0LWJpbGxpb25zLWludG8tZ3JlZW4tZW5lcmd5L9IBc2h0dHBzOi8vY2xlYW50ZWNobmljYS5jb20vMjAyMC8wOC8wNC9icC10by1jdXQtb2lsLXByb2R1Y3Rpb24tNDAtYnktMjAzMC1hbmQtaW52ZXN0LWJpbGxpb25zLWludG8tZ3JlZW4tZW5lcmd5L2FtcC8?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

Any wagers on how many more years we get the Leaf in the US?

DougWantsALeaf said:

I love the Leaf still gets the Photo Op.

https://news.google.com/articles/CBMib2h0dHBzOi8vY2xlYW50ZWNobmljYS5jb20vMjAyMC8wOC8wNC9icC10by1jdXQtb2lsLXByb2R1Y3Rpb24tNDAtYnktMjAzMC1hbmQtaW52ZXN0LWJpbGxpb25zLWludG8tZ3JlZW4tZW5lcmd5L9IBc2h0dHBzOi8vY2xlYW50ZWNobmljYS5jb20vMjAyMC8wOC8wNC9icC10by1jdXQtb2lsLXByb2R1Y3Rpb24tNDAtYnktMjAzMC1hbmQtaW52ZXN0LWJpbGxpb25zLWludG8tZ3JlZW4tZW5lcmd5L2FtcC8?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

Any wagers on how many more years we get the Leaf in the US?

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(URL w/o going thru Google is https://cleantechnica.com/2020/08/04/bp-to-cut-oil-production-40-by-2030-and-invest-billions-into-green-energy/.)
Didn't realize that BP was involved in Mobi Freewire (https://freewiretech.com/news/2018-1-29-bp-invests-in-mobile-electric-vehicle-charging-company-freewire-to-deliver-rapid-charging-at-retail-sites/). It's also not a "fast charger". Those are only L2.

https://freewiretech.com/products/mobi-ev/ - my work (before COVID-19) had a guy (vendor/contractor) + 5 or 6 of these units on a trial period. They were to provide some juice to a subset of PEVs since our charging station utilization was pretty high.

They were motorized and you hooked up a wired remote to move them around from car to car. IIRC, their output was only 5 kW max per J1772 handle. The guy would hook them up to our ChargePoint L2 stations at night to charge them.

I believe each has 80 kWh of batteries. https://freewiretech.com/products/mobi-gen/ is a similar unit that references 80 kWh.

I posted that I charged one before and per ChargePoint, it pulled about 76 kWh (wasn't totally dead). We had some problems w/our L2 stations (specifically bugs with https://www.chargepoint.com/products/power-management-faq/) which is a whole longer story.

I believe our facilities people ordered some so that we'd own them but them COVID-19 happened, so who knows what's going on now? Most of us aren't supposed to go to the office and that probably won't change until there's a safe and effective vaccine widely available.

A nice review from down under. This is the second review where i have heard mention of traffic sign recognition. Does the pro pilot have that? Is this why you can use it on some non divided roads?

https://youtu.be/Ql-r_I99Uos

https://elbilstatistikk.no/

With the additional EVs showing up in the Norway market, the Leaf's share continues to fall. Its still 4th, but EQC and Audi continue to dominate.

Sales just racking up for the Leaf in New Zealand.

https://thedriven.io/2020/08/17/tesla-model-3-beaten-into-fourth-spot-in-nz-in-july-by-kona-mini-and-leaf/



New (small) fleet of Leaf's in Italy.

https://www.vaielettrico.it/nuoro-elettrica-56-colonnine-e-14-ev-comunali-ma-e-solo-linizio/

DougWantsALeaf said:

Sales just racking up for the Leaf in New Zealand.

https://thedriven.io/2020/08/17/tesla-model-3-beaten-into-fourth-spot-in-nz-in-july-by-kona-mini-and-leaf/



New (small) fleet of Leaf's in Italy.

https://www.vaielettrico.it/nuoro-elettrica-56-colonnine-e-14-ev-comunali-ma-e-solo-linizio/

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How is the sale of 14 Leafs called Racking Up?

The smiley face was meant to be satirical.

DougWantsALeaf said:

The smiley face was meant to be satirical.

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Thanks. We already know Nissan is exiting countries with cars and trucks so the we can watch Leaf sales in the meantime. Last week they reported pull gas and diesel full size pickup at end of 2021 model year and pulling out of Korea is old news.

Leaf can be leased now in Germany for only 75 Euros a month. Let's see if it creates any demand. Leaf sells a couple hundred units a month in Germany currently.

https://efahrer.chip.de/news/elektroauto-nur-75-euro-leasing-deal-nissan-leaf_10906

https://efahrer.chip.de/news/elektroauto-nur-75-euro-leasing-deal-nissan-leaf_10906

Does the $90 a month lease sounds like Nissan is dumping the 40 kWh Leaf in Germany? Well the $7000 deposit helps Nissan I guess. Never heard of a lease that charged you for the miles that you do NOT drive. I guess Nissan wants them driven for some reason.

Do we know the number of unsold Leafs by country?

Firesale + compliance car = cheap car.

And it *still* will have trouble leaving the lot in the land of CCS and apartment dwellers. Too bad for Nissan that the UK does not help them meet their EU quotas anymore. The LEAF could have been a hot item in London with its widespread street parking, mitigating the inconvenient CHAdeMO truth.

It could be they just want to burn out their inventory of 40kW batteries.

Leaf is more than a compliance car in Europe. With US and Japan sales in the toilet, Europe is the remaining multi-thousand unit a month market for leaf.

GaleHawkins said:

Never heard of a lease that charged you for the miles that you do NOT drive. I guess Nissan wants them driven for some reason.

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If I recall correctly Nissan or whomever, get the credit or government subsidies on miles driven on a Lease, not just per car.

DougWantsALeaf said:

Leaf is more than a compliance car in Europe.

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Funny.

In 2018 the Nissan EU fleet average CO2 emissions was 115 grams/km
In 2021 a 95 Euros per car penalty is levied for each gram excess over 95 grams/km fleet average
https://theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/ICCT_CO2_emissions_pv_EU_2018_20190806.pdf

Remember the $2B Fiat paid Tesla for regulatory credits ? Now you know why. I am not positive, but I think Nissan and Renault are a combined number for now. That is no help to Nissan.

Maybe they are just setting up buyers for two years down the road when the new EV should be in production and before the battery can become a negative.