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In the end, they are going to end up blaming being unable to develop their own pack on 'COVID-19 problems'. It's the perfect out for them.
 
I'm looking forward to not seeing them any more.
Nothing but blown deadlines, broken promises and false hope.
 
cwerdna said:
dsh said:
:!: https://fenix.systems/news/fenix-news/2019/12/16/installs-begin-in-q1-2020
I'm kinda "watching" the video at 2x speed. At around 7:25, in 1Q 2020, he essentially says that for the highest priority folks (battery condition is such that the person needs help the most), they will temporarily install a healthier or newer Nissan battery pack. There's more to the video and if someone wants to summarize, go ahead. I have no interest nor time to do so.
I stumbled across the above URL via a Google search and noticed the video no longer plays.

Note that the entry from Dec 2019 is titled "Installs begin in Q1 2020".

Still haven't heard word of any installations of used Leaf batteries or anything yet from them...
 
:roll: Tragic. I just found the Fenix Power site: 'Updates in Progress' splash page teaser myself.
 
Still nothing positive on https://www.facebook.com/groups/FenixPowerCoForum/. Just seeing more people still bellyaching of no installs, waiting for refunds, etc. Mr. Boyd in the last day said "Out over $3,000 to get a CPO battery and still nothing." :(
 
New Fenix Power Customer Forum update: https://www.facebook.com/groups/FenixPowerCoForum/
 
dsh said:
New Fenix Power Customer Forum update: https://www.facebook.com/groups/FenixPowerCoForum/
Thanks.

Here were go again: more words and no action, yet.

I watched Dala's great video at https://youtu.be/ensZ33hhNB8?t=264. At ~4:24 he gives his take on what it'd take to add thermal management. If he's right, I think we can write off any chance of Fenix shipping a thermally managed battery pack for Leaf unless some investor swoops in w/huge $ and customers are willing to pay big $. If Dala's correct, (IMHO) anyone who is waiting for such a solution from Fenix should bail out now and request a refund.
Lothsahn said:
Dala said:
Feels like me and especially Muxsan is getting way more done with less resources.

Definitely agree--what you, Evsenhanced and Mux have done is, frankly, amazing.
Indeed. After looking at Dala's recent video (above) and browsing his and Muxsan's site. I agree. We haven't seen diddly from Fenix in terms of deliverables nor any demonstration of technical prowess/competence.
 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/FenixPowerCoForum has a whole bunch more posts. Now there's chatter about:
We engaged with Digifi to help our current customer and future customers have intelligent financing from someone who understands the future of Fenix Power and the evolution of the automotive industry...
At https://www.facebook.com/groups/FenixPowerCoForum/permalink/640295579952549/?comment_id=640431806605593 Bill Bysinger posted today about 3 hours ago says
Regarding when installations will begin, this relationship accelerates that process and we are currently in the certification process of over 80 installers across the US and Canada. We hope to have installations begin in the next 10 working days. This financing process is heavily tied to that success.
So, let's give them until Sept 28th to hear of an installation commencing.
 
I watched a video the other day from a garage (I think in Australia, or perhaps NZ) that installed a 40 kWh pack into a 2011 LEAF along with the NZ adapter. It honestly appeared pretty straightforward for a place with a vehicle lift and ability to handle the heavy pack.

Getting a decent pack for a reasonable price is far trickier for now, and I don't see how Fenix is going to improve matters. If anything it is just a middle-man whose only 'value' is financing and promise of warranty.

This smells bad.
 
SageBrush said:
Getting a decent pack for a reasonable price is far trickier for now, and I don't see how Fenix is going to improve matters. If anything it is just a middle-man whose only 'value' is financing and promise of warranty.

This smells bad.
They claim at https://fenix.systems/news/2020/02/01/500-reservations-2 and other places that they're getting their batteries from BigBattery. I recall seeing a pic of that some of that company's inventory before but can't find it right now.

I agree about the "value" portion.
 
cwerdna said:
They claim at https://fenix.systems/news/2020/02/01/500-reservations-2 and other places that they're getting their batteries from BigBattery. I recall seeing a pic of that some of that company's inventory before but can't find it right now.
I've read the same -- refurbs that come with 10+ capacity bars, paired with the Fenix 'warranty' of free replacement when capacity drops below 9 bars.

That is an awful deal for the consumer, and a deal that I doubt Fenix can make good on warranty wise due to installation and logistics costs.

I've said it before and my opinion remains the same: the Fenix business plan is going to leave their customers in trouble and in debt.
 
cwerdna said:
SageBrush said:
Getting a decent pack for a reasonable price is far trickier for now, and I don't see how Fenix is going to improve matters. If anything it is just a middle-man whose only 'value' is financing and promise of warranty.

This smells bad.
They claim at https://fenix.systems/news/2020/02/01/500-reservations-2 and other places that they're getting their batteries from BigBattery. I recall seeing a pic of that some of that company's inventory before but can't find it right now.

I agree about the "value" portion.

The part that makes me sad is stuff like this:
Buddy T Alam
Bill Bysinger I believe your company will survive and thrive. Just bought an used LEAF after reading about your company. Will buy another one for my wife.


Full disclosure: I am a reservation holder (from the initial wave years ago, although I went and replaced my battery myself). I just hate to people make super risky decisions like buying 2 leafs because of an unproven company.

I'm rooting for Fenix, but they still haven't delivered anything and have consistently missed on promises.
 
https://fenix.systems/blog has now been updated w/the jazz about DigniFi at https://fenix.systems/news/2020/09/12/subscriptions-a-new-way. It's useless for those who are still wondering when they're going to get their used Leaf packs installed.
 
i predict in 10 days we will see something like "We are lined up with 100+ installers across the USA and other countries. Financing is on board! Things are moving, but due to the continuing COVID crisis we are having some supply chain issues but I have some great news to share: Our first install is scheduled to go in by Halloween! Spoooooooooky :p "
 
jlv said:
SageBrush said:
This smells bad.
I thought it smelled bad a few hundred posts ago. The smell has long since moved onto foul.

From that FB thread:
I have already paid in full for my CPO. When am I going to get scheduled for replacement?
From a quick skim there's at least that guy and another guy who claim to have paid in full. Seems crazy that they're still screwing around and haven't gotten their batteries installed.
 
I've worked at a number of high-tech startups. Like many startups, most were failures. I heard this exact same message at every company that failed, and never once at any of the companies that succeeded.
Bill Bysinger on FB: We are a young company and to have someone of this caliber interested in working with us is an important validation of our vision and market direction.
:lol:

Of course, all the companies I had experience working at had actual products that they built. Their failure was usually because it wasn't a product people wanted to buy. After realizing that, I learned how to pick startups that would be successful.

Contrast to Fenix which still doesn't have a product, after all this time.
 
Yesterday 09/14/20 at 8:55am via https://www.facebook.com/groups/FenixPowerCoForum/permalink/640295579952549/?comment_id=640431806605593

Bill Bysinger
"We are in the final process of certifying installers. Should begin battery shipments to installers this week with installations to follow based on distance from our warehouse of CPO Batteries on the West Coast. This has taken COVID Protocols and Financial Issues resolved to deliver."
 
The direct link to that comment for me is at https://www.facebook.com/groups/FenixPowerCoForum/permalink/640295579952549/?comment_id=640976316551142.

How much time should we give them? Still around Sept 28th as I suggested at https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=590115#p590115?
 
dsh said:
Bill Bysinger
"We are in the final process of certifying installers. Should begin battery shipments to installers this week with installations to follow based on distance from our warehouse of CPO Batteries on the West Coast. This has taken COVID Protocols and Financial Issues resolved to deliver."
People who care should actually question what it means to be "certifying installers". Writing it like makes it seem like something important is happening.

It's also interesting how he calls the separate company (BigBattery) who they are buying the batteries from "our warehouse of CPO Batteries on the West Coast". This implies something that isn't close to being true.
 
I'm honestly surprised we don't have some buddies of the owners commented yet how they got a battery installed.
 
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