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Re: Costs of Climate Change Denial Start to Roll In

Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:56 pm

It's not going to decompose somewhere so dry.
I have seen some of those house hunters shows in California where the back door opens pretty much opens to the woods.
Those homes never had a chance.
Seems to be common.
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Re: Costs of Climate Change Denial Start to Roll In

Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:36 pm

Oilpan4 wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:56 pm
It's not going to decompose somewhere so dry.
I have seen some of those house hunters shows in California where the back door opens pretty much opens to the woods.
Those homes never had a chance.
Seems to be common.
Washington coast isn't "so dry". When it's not raining, it's drizzling or misting. Except for the week or two that is summer. If you get one this year. The sort of place where moss grows on cars. In between is a wide range of different places. Fuel reduction fires are likely a good idea around LA. Here? No. In between? Varies.

"House hunter" shows don't show average houses. Didn't know that?

Yes, there are homes in hazardous places. On the beach where Sally is headed. And yes, in lands that will burn every decade or so. Even before climate change. In a sense, you pays your money you get your choice. But you should not expect insurance or that the fire department will save your house.

Yes, the climate is changing. Winters are wetter, summers are hotter and drier. Turn of Fox "News" and pay attention to the world around you.
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Re: Costs of Climate Change Denial Start to Roll In

Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:52 pm

I wasn't talking about Washington coast, I believe I was talking about a dry place such as California.

Now that you mentioned it Washington is very interesting compared to California. You can see on satellite imagery where the fire burned up to a plot of land where they were actually practicing forestry and see where the wild fire either stopped or burned along the forest floor leaving the trees untouched.
I can only guess that's these fire immune plots of land are paper, lumber company owned with mature trees.
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Re: Costs of Climate Change Denial Start to Roll In

Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:12 pm

Oilpan4 wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:52 pm
I wasn't talking about Washington coast, I believe I was talking about a dry place such as California.
California isn't all a dry place. But Fox "News" only shows LA and Berkley, so I'd guess you think the whole state is just like that.
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I can only guess...
Oh, you might do something other than guessing. Have to start by turning off Fox "News".
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Re: Costs of Climate Change Denial Start to Roll In

Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:53 am

So southern California burns because it's so wet? I'm going to have to call BS on that.
I don't need fox news or any other fake stream crap outlet.
I was there in southern California about every 6 to 9 months from 2002 to 2006 around LA and San Diego it was dry.
The one time it did rain when i was there cars were crashing into each other everywhere because according to my friend who lived there for 40 years "because it never rains and the roads turn into an oil slick".
I think it was mostly because everyone drives at least 15 mph over the speed limit till there's a traffic jam which was daily.
I didn't say the whole state is that dry just the parts that burn.
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Re: Costs of Climate Change Denial Start to Roll In

Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:15 am

Oilpan4 wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:53 am
So southern California burns because it's so wet?
Did you miss that the parts of California that are burning are not all Southern California?

The largest fire is uphill (meaning cooler and wetter) from https://www.bestplaces.net/climate/metr ... scent_city

Weak showing for a Sith Troll.
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Re: Costs of Climate Change Denial Start to Roll In

Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:52 pm

Yes I know southern California doesn't fit your propaganda that the wet cool parts of the state are burning. So we shouldn't talk about them.

New mexico has cool wet mountain areas that like to dry out occasionally and they're not on fire.
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Re: Costs of Climate Change Denial Start to Roll In

Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:48 am

Oilpan4 wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:52 pm
Yes I know southern California doesn't fit your propaganda that the wet cool parts of the state are burning. So we shouldn't talk about them.

New mexico has cool wet mountain areas that like to dry out occasionally and they're not on fire.
Southern California and Northern California are very different. Pointing out a basic fact isn't "propaganda". I'd guess, but I don't know, that New Mexico's forests are rather different from both.

For Southern California, prescribed fires and stopping most construction of houses in low density settings with zoning laws and/or making insurance not affordable and/or changing building codes to require fireproof construction... And landscaping codes to keep trees away from structures.

The biggest fire in California is in Northern California. So why the focus on Southern California?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Complex_fire

Most of the forests burning are on Federal Land.

Deserts with almost no vegetation never burn. Almost no fuel.

Arid lands with grasses and shrubs burn often.

Dry forests have frequent small fires. Ponderosa pines. Inland CA, from north to central. Fire suppression can lead to larger fires. As can logging, as only the large trees are fire resistant.

Rocky Mountain lodgepole pine forests have periodic large fires. "Many populations of the Rocky Mountain subspecies, P. contorta subsp. latifolia, have serotinous cones. This means that the cones are closed and must be exposed to high temperatures, such as from forest fires, in order to open and release their seeds." In other words, this forest needs to burn for this tree to live. Typically these fires are huge.

Lodgepole pines in California don't have serotinous cones. What does that tell us?

Wet forests rarely burn. Small fires don't happen as the floor is too wet. Fires, if they happen are either tiny and very localized, or huge.
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Re: Costs of Climate Change Denial Start to Roll In

Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:55 pm

The fire map shows the whole state on fire from one end tonthe other.
This is what happens when you think you can live in harmony with nature by putting out all the fires.
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Re: Costs of Climate Change Denial Start to Roll In

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