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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:29 am

Kieran973 wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:43 pm
Who would have use for an SUV that can fit several large adults in the front and back seats but can't fit any of their stuff?
Well, it sounds like you can carry 3-4 passengers AND ~ 15 cubic feet of stuff.

More to the point though, you can carry 1 - 2 passengers and have a large volume to carry stuff once you fold down part or all of the rear seating.
I have always liked hatchbacks because they have a wide and tall opening. Any 'SUV' or 'CUV' has that advantage.

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Or perhaps you are saying this is a small vehicle for multiple, morbidly obese people. Is that what "large adults" means ?
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:37 am

15 cubic feet for a compact SUV with the seats up is about average. Putting the seats down would add abut 25-30 cubic feet of space.
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:20 pm

OrientExpress wrote:
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15 cubic feet for a compact SUV with the seats up is about average. Putting the seats down would add abut 25-30 cubic feet of space.
Depends. If you're talking about something like a Kona, yes. OTOH, my 2003 Forester is 175.2" long and has 32 cu. ft. of cargo space, seats up. The ID.4 is 180.5", 30.4 cu.ft. All fall into the compact C/SUV category.
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:26 pm

OrientExpress wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:37 am
15 cubic feet for a compact SUV with the seats up is about average. Putting the seats down would add abut 25-30 cubic feet of space.
LEAF has 23.6 cu feet with seats up. I wouldn't want anything much smaller than that.
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:07 pm

I’m not aware of any official interior capacity specifications that have been released into the public domain, but I would expect the Ariya to have about 25-30 cubic feet seats up, and 55-62 cu feet seats down.
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:08 pm

OrientExpress wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:07 pm
I’m not aware of any official interior capacity specifications that have been released into the public domain, but I would expect the Ariya to have about 25-30 cubic feet seats up, and 55-62 cu feet seats down.
Much of the green car press is reporting 16.5 cu ft for the FWD version and 14.6 cu ft for the AWD version. For example:

https://electrek.co/2020/07/15/nissan-u ... d-battery/
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Or perhaps you are saying this is a small vehicle for multiple, morbidly obese people. Is that what "large adults" means ?
No, I just meant that a recurring marketing theme for this car seems to be that, unlike many eco cars, the Ariya doesn't skimp on rear passenger leg and head room. So, OK, great. But the same can be said of many mid-size and full-size hybrid sedans at this point - if you've ever sat in the back of a Sonata Hybrid, there is massive amounts of passenger room back there. But people buy CUVs like the CRV, RAV4, CX5 because they have kids, and kids come with lots of stuff. And if you have kids, you often can't put any of the seats down because the car seats get in the way. I only have one child - a toddler whose car seat is rear-facing in the rear-middle seat - and on some of our out of town trips, it can be challenging to fit everything in the Leaf (Christmas, for example, when, in addition to all the kid crap, we're also hauling presents). So when it's time to replace our CRV (which we only put 1,500 miles a year on right now; the other 18,500 miles are on our Leaf), we certainly can't get a car with even less cargo space than the Leaf. Everything else about the Ariya looks good to me, especially the alleged 130 kW rapid charging speed all the way up to 70% SOC according to a Clean Technica interview which I'll link to below. But I can't believe that Nissan would release a CUV with only 15 cu ft of cargo space. Unless they're thinking that people won't look back there during a test drive and/or can't read?

https://cleantechnica.com/2020/09/24/th ... -nakajima/
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:25 pm

That report is about the only one that I have seen and is probably in the ballpark, but Nissan hasn’t released any official detailed specifications to the motoring press yet. I’m good friends with the author of that story, and its probably something he gleaned from a remark from someone during the media call. 16 cu ft. seats up is a competitive space.
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:17 am

OrientExpress wrote:
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16 cu ft. seats up is a competitive space.
Not with the Honda CRV
Cargo volume: 37.6 to 39.2 ft³, 75.8 ft³ with seat area

Even the Bolt is 16.9 ft³ with seats up,
And that *is* a small space, good for a couple grocery bags
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:47 am

The rear trunk photos of the Ariya appear bigger than just 16.5 cu ft. It's possible if one just removes the cargo cover the usable space may be closer to 20 cu ft. If it really is 16.5 cu ft it's too small for my family of four. The LEAF trunk was about right with its 24.5 cu ft that can fit a double stroller AND groceries.

Given we want to move to a fully electric SUV with a decent sized trunk, and reasonable price (less than $40K), the VW ID4 with 30 cu ft looks PERFECT. 3 yrs of free EA charging is also a massive bonus for longer road trips.

I still prefer FWD (without having to pay extra for AWD) with Ariya...seems safer during winter...
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:03 am

SageBrush wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:17 am
OrientExpress wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:25 pm
16 cu ft. seats up is a competitive space.
Not with the Honda CRV
Cargo volume: 37.6 to 39.2 ft³, 75.8 ft³ with seat area

Even the Bolt is 16.9 ft³ with seats up,
And that *is* a small space, good for a couple grocery bags
Exactly.

Toyota RAV4: 37.5 cu ft
Hyundai Tucson: 31 cu ft
Hyundai Santa Fe: 35.9 cu ft
Kia Sportage: 30.7 cu ft
Mazda CX5: 30.9 cu ft
Ford Escape: 34.4 cu ft
Subaru Forester: 28.9 - 31.1 cu ft
Subaru Outback: 32.5 cu ft
VW Tiguan (5 seat model): 37.6 cu ft

Even Nissan's own comparable gas CUV's have roughly double the cargo space as the Ariya.
Nissan Murano: 31.1 - 32.1 cu ft
Nissan Rogue: 39.3 cu ft
jdcbomb wrote: The rear trunk photos of the Ariya appear bigger than just 16.5 cu ft.
I agree, which is why I'm hoping the 14-16 cu ft specs are a mistake.
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