Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

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Kieran973 said:
Who would have use for an SUV that can fit several large adults in the front and back seats but can't fit any of their stuff?
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Well, it sounds like you can carry 3-4 passengers AND ~ 15 cubic feet of stuff.

More to the point though, you can carry 1 - 2 passengers and have a large volume to carry stuff once you fold down part or all of the rear seating.
I have always liked hatchbacks because they have a wide and tall opening. Any 'SUV' or 'CUV' has that advantage.

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Or perhaps you are saying this is a small vehicle for multiple, morbidly obese people. Is that what "large adults" means ?
 
OrientExpress said:
15 cubic feet for a compact SUV with the seats up is about average. Putting the seats down would add abut 25-30 cubic feet of space.
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Depends. If you're talking about something like a Kona, yes. OTOH, my 2003 Forester is 175.2" long and has 32 cu. ft. of cargo space, seats up. The ID.4 is 180.5", 30.4 cu.ft. All fall into the compact C/SUV category.
 
OrientExpress said:
15 cubic feet for a compact SUV with the seats up is about average. Putting the seats down would add abut 25-30 cubic feet of space.
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LEAF has 23.6 cu feet with seats up. I wouldn't want anything much smaller than that.
 
I’m not aware of any official interior capacity specifications that have been released into the public domain, but I would expect the Ariya to have about 25-30 cubic feet seats up, and 55-62 cu feet seats down.
 
OrientExpress said:
I’m not aware of any official interior capacity specifications that have been released into the public domain, but I would expect the Ariya to have about 25-30 cubic feet seats up, and 55-62 cu feet seats down.
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Much of the green car press is reporting 16.5 cu ft for the FWD version and 14.6 cu ft for the AWD version. For example:

https://electrek.co/2020/07/15/nissan-unveils-40000-300-mile-ariya-electric-suv-with-liquid-cooled-battery/

SageBrush said:
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Or perhaps you are saying this is a small vehicle for multiple, morbidly obese people. Is that what "large adults" means ?
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No, I just meant that a recurring marketing theme for this car seems to be that, unlike many eco cars, the Ariya doesn't skimp on rear passenger leg and head room. So, OK, great. But the same can be said of many mid-size and full-size hybrid sedans at this point - if you've ever sat in the back of a Sonata Hybrid, there is massive amounts of passenger room back there. But people buy CUVs like the CRV, RAV4, CX5 because they have kids, and kids come with lots of stuff. And if you have kids, you often can't put any of the seats down because the car seats get in the way. I only have one child - a toddler whose car seat is rear-facing in the rear-middle seat - and on some of our out of town trips, it can be challenging to fit everything in the Leaf (Christmas, for example, when, in addition to all the kid crap, we're also hauling presents). So when it's time to replace our CRV (which we only put 1,500 miles a year on right now; the other 18,500 miles are on our Leaf), we certainly can't get a car with even less cargo space than the Leaf. Everything else about the Ariya looks good to me, especially the alleged 130 kW rapid charging speed all the way up to 70% SOC according to a Clean Technica interview which I'll link to below. But I can't believe that Nissan would release a CUV with only 15 cu ft of cargo space. Unless they're thinking that people won't look back there during a test drive and/or can't read?

https://cleantechnica.com/2020/09/24/the-new-nissan-ariya-an-exclusive-interview-with-nissan-chief-engineer-hikaru-nakajima/
 
That report is about the only one that I have seen and is probably in the ballpark, but Nissan hasn’t released any official detailed specifications to the motoring press yet. I’m good friends with the author of that story, and its probably something he gleaned from a remark from someone during the media call. 16 cu ft. seats up is a competitive space.
 
OrientExpress said:
16 cu ft. seats up is a competitive space.
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Not with the Honda CRV
Cargo volume: 37.6 to 39.2 ft³, 75.8 ft³ with seat area

Even the Bolt is 16.9 ft³ with seats up,
And that *is* a small space, good for a couple grocery bags
 
The rear trunk photos of the Ariya appear bigger than just 16.5 cu ft. It's possible if one just removes the cargo cover the usable space may be closer to 20 cu ft. If it really is 16.5 cu ft it's too small for my family of four. The LEAF trunk was about right with its 24.5 cu ft that can fit a double stroller AND groceries.

Given we want to move to a fully electric SUV with a decent sized trunk, and reasonable price (less than $40K), the VW ID4 with 30 cu ft looks PERFECT. 3 yrs of free EA charging is also a massive bonus for longer road trips.

I still prefer FWD (without having to pay extra for AWD) with Ariya...seems safer during winter...
 
SageBrush said:
OrientExpress said:
16 cu ft. seats up is a competitive space.
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Not with the Honda CRV
Cargo volume: 37.6 to 39.2 ft³, 75.8 ft³ with seat area

Even the Bolt is 16.9 ft³ with seats up,
And that *is* a small space, good for a couple grocery bags
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Exactly.

Toyota RAV4: 37.5 cu ft
Hyundai Tucson: 31 cu ft
Hyundai Santa Fe: 35.9 cu ft
Kia Sportage: 30.7 cu ft
Mazda CX5: 30.9 cu ft
Ford Escape: 34.4 cu ft
Subaru Forester: 28.9 - 31.1 cu ft
Subaru Outback: 32.5 cu ft
VW Tiguan (5 seat model): 37.6 cu ft

Even Nissan's own comparable gas CUV's have roughly double the cargo space as the Ariya.
Nissan Murano: 31.1 - 32.1 cu ft
Nissan Rogue: 39.3 cu ft

jdcbomb said:
The rear trunk photos of the Ariya appear bigger than just 16.5 cu ft.
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I agree, which is why I'm hoping the 14-16 cu ft specs are a mistake.
 
Kieran973 said:
jdcbomb said:
The rear trunk photos of the Ariya appear bigger than just 16.5 cu ft.
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I agree, which is why I'm hoping the 14-16 cu ft specs are a mistake.
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The reported dimensions of the Ariya are also much larger than Bolt:
About 5 inches wider
About 19 (!) inches longer

That does not tell has how Nissan apportioned the car but they had a LOT more space to play with and it suggests that though the rear seats may have to be folded, there is a lot more space behind the front seats compared to the Bolt
 
Where are we getting this 16 cu feet data? I am not seeing it anywhere and only an idio...oh wait...it is Nissan. Ok, well only grossly deluded would go smaller.
 
This is why I categorize this as an unverified rumor. Nissan has not released the level of specs that would dive into this sort of detail.

But at least one outlet said that this was the interior capacity. I'd take it with a grain of salt until Nissan is closer to actually offering the Ariya for sale.
 
This is not an unverified rumor. The Nissan Ariya global press release lists the luggage capacity and other specs at the very bottom of this page: https://global.nissannews.com/en/releases/release-b78d73e58e44b31e28ca927dfa00076e

466 L = 16.46 cu ft

If this is the case it's honestly embarrassingly small especially given the competition and even the LEAF!

I'm seriously hoping it's a typo but I'm prepared to be disappointed.
 
jdcbomb said:
This is not an unverified rumor. The Nissan Ariya global press release lists the luggage capacity and other specs at the very bottom of this page: https://global.nissannews.com/en/releases/release-b78d73e58e44b31e28ca927dfa00076e

466 L = 16.46 cu ft

If this is the case it's honestly embarrassingly small especially given the completion and even the LEAF!

I'm seriously hoping it's a typo but I'm prepared to be disappointed.
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The measurement system/standard is murky to me.

For example, I found https://europe.nissannews.com/en-GB/releases/release-101643-the-new-nissan-leaf-the-next-chapter from Feb 2013 says
"By moving the charger from the rear of the LEAF to under the bonnet, it has been possible to increase the luggage area by as much as 40 litres... or to put that another way, about the size of a typical airplane ‘carry-on' suitcase. Trunk capacity has increased to 370 litres." That's ~13 cu ft.

Yet, https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=33558 under Specs lists the '13 Leaf as having 24 cu feet of luggage volume.

So, given the press release that jdcbomb pointed to, we might be comparing apples vs. oranges, for now.
 
This Early Nissan release comes with this caveat because the feature set and localization was not finalized. Best to wait for the production launch specifications.

“NOTE: The above specifications are as of July 2020 and are subject to homologation. Model names, features and specifications may vary by market.”
 
Looking at press photos, it would appear the hatch area is maybe 6 to 8" shorter than the LEAF and has hidden underfloor storage that was not pictured so can only guess what that would be. Fold down storage is flat however so that would be a big jump. Since my Son is now in the front seat, having that available would be common for me but for families with car seats? I think Nissan missed the boat here.
 
cwerdna said:
jdcbomb said:
This is not an unverified rumor. The Nissan Ariya global press release lists the luggage capacity and other specs at the very bottom of this page: https://global.nissannews.com/en/releases/release-b78d73e58e44b31e28ca927dfa00076e

466 L = 16.46 cu ft

If this is the case it's honestly embarrassingly small especially given the completion and even the LEAF!

I'm seriously hoping it's a typo but I'm prepared to be disappointed.
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The measurement system/standard is murky to me.

For example, I found https://europe.nissannews.com/en-GB/releases/release-101643-the-new-nissan-leaf-the-next-chapter from Feb 2013 says
"By moving the charger from the rear of the LEAF to under the bonnet, it has been possible to increase the luggage area by as much as 40 litres... or to put that another way, about the size of a typical airplane ‘carry-on' suitcase. Trunk capacity has increased to 370 litres." That's ~13 cu ft.

Yet, https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=33558 under Specs lists the '13 Leaf as having 24 cu feet of luggage volume.

So, given the press release that jdcbomb pointed to, we might be comparing apples vs. oranges, for now.
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I stopped relying on Nissan specs when the 2013 came out with the EXACT same 23.6 cu feet dimension as the 2011-12's
 
DaveinOlyWA said:
cwerdna said:
jdcbomb said:
This is not an unverified rumor. The Nissan Ariya global press release lists the luggage capacity and other specs at the very bottom of this page: https://global.nissannews.com/en/releases/release-b78d73e58e44b31e28ca927dfa00076e

466 L = 16.46 cu ft

If this is the case it's honestly embarrassingly small especially given the completion and even the LEAF!

I'm seriously hoping it's a typo but I'm prepared to be disappointed.
Click to expand...
The measurement system/standard is murky to me.

For example, I found https://europe.nissannews.com/en-GB/releases/release-101643-the-new-nissan-leaf-the-next-chapter from Feb 2013 says
"By moving the charger from the rear of the LEAF to under the bonnet, it has been possible to increase the luggage area by as much as 40 litres... or to put that another way, about the size of a typical airplane ‘carry-on' suitcase. Trunk capacity has increased to 370 litres." That's ~13 cu ft.

Yet, https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=33558 under Specs lists the '13 Leaf as having 24 cu feet of luggage volume.

So, given the press release that jdcbomb pointed to, we might be comparing apples vs. oranges, for now.
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Was not the 2011-2017 Leafs all build in the same size body shell?
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GaleHawkins said:
DaveinOlyWA said:
cwerdna said:
The measurement system/standard is murky to me.

For example, I found https://europe.nissannews.com/en-GB/releases/release-101643-the-new-nissan-leaf-the-next-chapter from Feb 2013 says
"By moving the charger from the rear of the LEAF to under the bonnet, it has been possible to increase the luggage area by as much as 40 litres... or to put that another way, about the size of a typical airplane ‘carry-on' suitcase. Trunk capacity has increased to 370 litres." That's ~13 cu ft.

Yet, https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=33558 under Specs lists the '13 Leaf as having 24 cu feet of luggage volume.

So, given the press release that jdcbomb pointed to, we might be comparing apples vs. oranges, for now.
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Was not the 2011-2017 Leafs all build in the same size body shell?
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That doesn't mean the interior wasn't rearranged. The 2011-12 had the charger in the hatch that created a "wall" of sorts that went across the entire back of the hatch just behind the back seats. Later the charger was moved to the front which created a gap with only a small bump on both sides of the hatch remaining. the bumps were maybe 8" or so. Later those bumps were removed. All those changes increased the size of the cargo area but official Nissan measurements never changed.
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