COVID-19 aka 2019 (and 2020) Novel Coronavirus

Oilpan4 said:

LeftieBiker said:

You "heard" him, folks. He wants to be filtered, I'd like him to be filtered, you don't want to read him. Click on his profile, and select "Add Foe" to hide his posts. He'll eventually look for attention elsewhere.

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Oh man if I can get the mods to ignore me... Yeah I would totally go away for sure. Don'tworryaboutit.

What's your best evidence for healthy people under the age of 44 getting the virus multiple times and it being anymore than an inconvenience?
Forget the study im sure you wasted at least 20 minuts Googling for it, I'll even settle for a few cherry picked articles that could convince a hypochondriac to be a little concerned.
My father was a full blood hypochondriac so I know what bugs them.
I'm setting the bar low enough for a 1 year old to crawl over. You got this.

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1 year old crawling mightily. I think I "got this."

We should keep on doing what we're doing, which would mean disrespect for masks (yet another super-spreader event last night, with the SS-in-chief leading the way), disrespect for social distancing, and a total reopening of SS environments: restaurants, bars, athletic events, theater, schools, etc. With herd immunity, only the weak will be culled (but not you, you're strong!) , the laws of nature will be respected.

With the above scenario (currently in play), infection rates are increasing, which I guess from your posts you are cruelly embracing.

Definition of insanity. I think you know the adage.

Many here think there's a better way, proven by so many other "civilized" nations.

Wife of Trump's labor secretary, who was at Barrett Rose Garden event, tests positive for Covid
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/14/wife-of-trumps-labor-secretary-who-was-at-barrett-rose-garden-event-tests-positive-for-covid.html

WetEV said:

Yet another re-infection.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/13/coronavirus-first-case-of-covid-19-reinfection-confirmed-in-the-us.html

We have so much more to learn about this coronavirus.

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Age 25

Oilpan4 said:

As of now the only thing I'm convinced of beyond any doubt is that you people want more lockdowns just to hurt healthy people under the age of 44 who are otherwise mildly effected by the virus.

Change my mind.

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Here are some healthy people 44 or under who were affected badly by COVID-19.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/30/health/coronavirus-athlete-covid-19-ahmad-ayyad-john-hopkins-trnd/index.html
https://abc7ny.com/health/athlete-from-nj-released-from-hospital-after-covid-19-recovery/6117520/
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/sports/coronavirus-survivors-athletes.html
https://www.startribune.com/minnesota-man-is-an-ironman-covid-19-nearly-killed-him/569761222/
https://www.businessinsider.com/david-lat-coronavirus-harrowing-story-ventilator-2020-4

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm shows thousands of people in the US 44 or under who died of COVID-19

Even if someone is 44 or under, healthy and all that, they can still spread it to others, who can in turn spread it to others, some of whom can get very sick or die from it. Even worse if it ends up being spread to someone w/no health insurance or no financial means to pay for medical care.

wxxyz said:

...If you really don't like somebody, then instead of insulting them in the public forum, simply click on their username and click the 'foe' button on their profile to automatically hide all their posts from your view. ...

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A suggestion -- it would be nice if a "foe's" postings were hidden entirely. As it stands, you still get a line of text indicating every time they post on a topic, with an option to view. An annoyance, but more importantly I think this leads to re-engagement and flare-ups. A lack of self-control perhaps but human nature.

The real annoyance is when people quote someone you have 'filtered' in their own posts...

WetEV said:

WetEV said:

Yet another re-infection.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/13/coronavirus-first-case-of-covid-19-reinfection-confirmed-in-the-us.html

We have so much more to learn about this coronavirus.

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Age 25

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I'm going to say the headline pretty much tells you all you need to know.
Says something to the effect of the 5th known case in the world, first in the US, mind you this is right now, not back in march or April where the 2nd infection was worse than the first infection and the person appears to be healthy. They didn't die.
Well I rest my case based on exculpatory evidence presented by the opposing party.
So to say worse reinfection is rare in healthy people where it's worse is a bit of an understatement.

Well thankyou for proof that my original statement was not BS. 5 in the world where the reinfection was worse.I never would have guessed that. It doesn't even seem possible. I don't even know if I can believe that it's so few.

cwerdna said:

Oilpan4 said:

As of now the only thing I'm convinced of beyond any doubt is that you people want more lockdowns just to hurt healthy people under the age of 44 who are otherwise mildly effected by the virus.

Change my mind.

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Here are some healthy people 44 or under who were affected badly by COVID-19.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/30/health/coronavirus-athlete-covid-19-ahmad-ayyad-john-hopkins-trnd/index.html
https://abc7ny.com/health/athlete-from-nj-released-from-hospital-after-covid-19-recovery/6117520/
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/sports/coronavirus-survivors-athletes.html
https://www.startribune.com/minnesota-man-is-an-ironman-covid-19-nearly-killed-him/569761222/
https://www.businessinsider.com/david-lat-coronavirus-harrowing-story-ventilator-2020-4

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm shows thousands of people in the US 44 or under who died of COVID-19

Even if someone is 44 or under, healthy and all that, they can still spread it to others, who can in turn spread it to others, some of whom can get very sick or die from it. Even worse if it ends up being spread to someone w/no health insurance or no financial means to pay for medical care.

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So locknown otherwise health people because of "ifs" and "mights" which will guarantee more people live in poverty and suffer malnutrition?
I'm going to have to say that's rather disgusting.
Tens of thousands of >44 age healthy people die in car crashes every year and no one has ever suggested we stop driving because it will save lives.

wxxyz said:

I'm tired of dealing with 'flags' from this thread. Can't this be a place of discussion? I am not making this into a [insert favorite one-sided site here] where only one side gets to tell their opinions - but both sides, fight fair! Support your points with facts, statistics, etc!

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Some are not here to "fight fair". Hard to have a chess game with someone that wants to throw the board and pieces on the floor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

Oilpan4 said:

Tens of thousands of >44 age healthy people die in car crashes every year and no one has ever suggested we stop driving because it will save lives.

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If the ICU was filled to capacity, and the number of car crashes kept doubling every couple of weeks, perhaps we might limit driving.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/only-16-icu-beds-left-in-entire-state-of-north-dakota-amid-covid-19-surge

That's why we need to protect the most vulnerable people.
Almost all the deaths are happening in the pensioner age group and less than 3% of deaths are happening in the school age to working stiff age groups.
The only reason I have seen given for locking down the less than 44s is ifs and mights.

So a state with no mask mandate and only 200 ICU beds for the entire state is filling up with trumpvirus victims. Are you surprised by this? What's your point?
I smell what you're cooking and I agree, dumb move on their part. No argument here.

I'm trying real hard to not give people things they can pretend to be offended about.
I'm sure trumpvirus offends trump supporters but we don't like them anyways.
I'm going to vote early for biden if I vote, so I can go home and be really drunk because I think trump will have over 300 electoral votes by the time polls close here in new mexico.

If you look at people (in pictures) who are early voting, (in record numbers) the overwhelming number of them are wearing masks. These people would not be trump voters, ie masks. 2018 was a preview to what the poll numbers are now. Overwhelming in favor of another blue wave.
The only chance the liar in chief has is to suppress the vote and try and get the outcome into the Supreme Court. If the numbers are too high against him then he is screwed. Which would be fine with the population of this country who will vote to send him packing.
The US and the rest of the world are definitely ready for a regime change. 4 more years of this clown show is not good for anyone.

downeykp said:

If you look at people (in pictures) who are early voting, (in record numbers) the overwhelming number of them are wearing masks. These people would not be trump voters, ie masks. 2018 was a preview to what the poll numbers are now. Overwhelming in favor of another blue wave.
The only chance the liar in chief has is to suppress the vote and try and get the outcome into the Supreme Court. If the numbers are too high against him then he is screwed. Which would be fine with the population of this country who will vote to send him packing.
The US and the rest of the world are definitely ready for a regime change. 4 more years of this clown show is not good for anyone.

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That's about as intelligent as saying trump supporters don't shop at walmart, target, Costco, ect because everyone inside is wearing a mask...
I thought segregating people into groups and stereotyping them was something conservatives did.

You are quite the a hole aren't you. I am hoping you are smart enough to vote, but saying you might or might vote really makes everyone believe you really are a troll. If you don't vote then shut the fu.

downeykp said:

If you look at people (in pictures) who are early voting, (in record numbers) the overwhelming number of them are wearing masks. These people would not be trump voters, ie masks. 2018 was a preview to what the poll numbers are now. Overwhelming in favor of another blue wave.
The only chance the liar in chief has is to suppress the vote and try and get the outcome into the Supreme Court. If the numbers are too high against him then he is screwed. Which would be fine with the population of this country who will vote to send him packing.
The US and the rest of the world are definitely ready for a regime change. 4 more years of this clown show is not good for anyone.

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I think the gravest danger is they conjur up some stink about voter fraud, which gives cover to a few key states who assign electors, which then goes to SCOTUS and the "originalists" are like, "well it doesn't say you can't..."

Nubo said:

downeykp said:

If you look at people (in pictures) who are early voting, (in record numbers) the overwhelming number of them are wearing masks. These people would not be trump voters, ie masks. 2018 was a preview to what the poll numbers are now. Overwhelming in favor of another blue wave.
The only chance the liar in chief has is to suppress the vote and try and get the outcome into the Supreme Court. If the numbers are too high against him then he is screwed. Which would be fine with the population of this country who will vote to send him packing.
The US and the rest of the world are definitely ready for a regime change. 4 more years of this clown show is not good for anyone.

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I think the gravest danger is they conjur up some stink about voter fraud, which gives cover to a few key states who assign electors, which then goes to SCOTUS and the "originalists" are like, "well it doesn't say you can't..."

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I think at this point it is pretty obvious that the only way they can win is with voter suppression, intimidation and the courts. That is the only way they know how to win.
The whiner in chief has done absolutely nothing to try and work with anyone but himself. He has no vision except whats good for him. The country be damned.

So that's how they won in 2016?
Seems a little odd that they pulled that off so cleany after nearly 8 years of obama.

Oilpan4 said:

That's why we need to protect the most vulnerable people.

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If age 45 and older is vulnerable, that is about 39% of the population.

Exactly how do you protect these people?

Trump admin has spoken: Herd immunity, which was their unspoken policy all along. As the laughing-stock of the world, we will continue what we've been doing: POTUS encouraged super-spreading events, half-hearted, unenforced attempts at social distancing, minimal mask usage.

From CNN Travel, October 14, 2020: "With US coronavirus cases around the 7.9 million mark, many nations continue to view America with trepidation. The European Union has omitted the United States from its list of countries whose tourists may visit. Americans still can't vacation in their neighbor to the north, Canada, nor head to many Asian favorites such as Japan."

As covid19 cases in the US continue to grow, travel restrictions will grow as well.

It appears we've learned nothing about herd immunity from our experiences with polio, tuberculosis, scarlet fever, measles, etc. etc. We've known for almost 100 years that viruses are airborne, but we've turned mask wearing into a senseless political discussion about choice, about freedom.