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And only 1 confired case in the US as of Thanksgiving of someone catching trumpvirus a 2nd time and it being worse than the first time they caught it.

To recap, my wife caught it at work, from her respiratory therapist friend earlier this year before this area had tests available. She has handled all the trumpvirus patients on her shift every day she worked since this summer when we realized we had it. I wish tests were available earlier this year so we could have known we already had it.
 
The hits just keep coming.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/reinfection.html
As of November 27 this year the CDC still says "reinfection is rare". If "immunity only lasts 3 or 4 months" then reinfections wouldn't be rare and we would know it by now.
I thought you guys were all about listening to the scientists I guess only when it suits you.
So this is over for me everything returns to normal, aside from the restrictions I can't control or dodge. Who am I to argue with the cdc.

Furthermore the cdc is saying they are studying reinfections but they are so rare they are concentrating they're studies on Healthcare workers and severely immune compromised people.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/reinfection.html
My conclusion is that reinfections are so rare they really have to go out of their way to look for cases and even then are having trouble gathering enough data to make a study. Overall this is very good news unless you are cheering for the virus.

Then all I can find is a bunch of fear mongering news article about reinfection that appear to have no basis in reality. Pushing what appears to be a false narrative about "immunity only lasting 3 or 4 months". Yeah it was believable back in march that immunity might only last 3 or 4 months because we didn't know, but we are way past that now.
 
From MIT Medical:

MIT Medical answers your COVID-19 questions. Got a question about COVID-19? Send it to us at [email protected], and we’ll do our best to provide an answer.

My daughter’s family and my sister-in-law’s family have all survived the COVID-19 virus. They want to include my husband and me in a holiday gathering. My daughter says this is safe for us, because everyone else who will be there is immune. But what if one of them was exposed to an infected person before our get-together? Could they somehow carry the virus to us and make us sick?

view of hands presenting a gift decorated with COVID-19 molecules with a tag reading 'to Grandma'

We’ve been getting questions like this more and more often recently. The short answer is that people who have recovered from COVID-19 cannot spread the virus to others unless they become reinfected themselves. The bad news is that reinfection is possible.

From what we know of other viruses, most experts think it’s likely that most people who recover from COVID-19 have some level of immunity for some period of time. But we don’t know how much immunity they have or how long it lasts. A recent study of a different type of coronavirus, the common cold, found that people were often reinfected within 12 months.

When we first wrote about the possibility of COVID-19 reinfections two months ago, we reported four confirmed cases. Today, we know of at least 30, but this is almost certainly an underestimate. This is because a confirmed case of reinfection requires genetic proof that the virus was sufficiently different the second time. Genomic sequencing of this type requires viral samples from both PCR tests; it also requires time, money, and other resources that are often in short supply. As a result, the number of confirmed reinfections is far lower than the more than 2,000 suspected cases that have been reported to date.

And it’s likely that many other instances of possible reinfection go unreported or, worse, undetected. Immunologists usually expect a second infection with the same virus to be milder than the first. If that holds true for most reinfections with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, many reinfected individuals could remain asymptomatic and untested but very much capable of transmitting the virus to others.

Unfortunately, this means that your relatives’ previous COVID-19 infections do not make them safe holiday companions for you, or even for each other. Nor does pre-holiday testing guarantee a safe gathering.

This holiday season, there’s no safe way to get together with people outside of your own household or bubble. But while it can feel like we’re all stuck in a never-ending marshmallow experiment, vaccines offer light at the end of this very long tunnel. Postponing extended-family gatherings now makes it more likely that we’ll be able to gather for holiday celebrations next year — and for many years to come.
 
The "3 to 4 month immunity" is definitely a lie considering I got trumpvirus back in late March or first week of April and had trumpvirus antibodies as of 2 weeks ago.
I'll believe 12 months. For now.
There's only 30 reinfections that they know of?
Wow, that's way less than I ever would have guessed. When the CDC said reinfections are rare it's effectivly a lie with out technically being a lie.
No wonder they're having trouble finding enough people to do a reinfection study...
Yeah I'm not going to worry about it.
 
I'm going to call it. The lockdowns and shutdowns in NY and CA are absolute spectacular failures.
They have the strictest measures in place and lead the nation in death and spread. Everyone who can afford has already done so.
 
Oilpan4 said:
I'm going to call it. The lockdowns and shutdowns in NY and CA are absolute spectacular failures.
They have the strictest measures in place and lead the nation in death and spread.
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If you sort https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ by deaths per 1 million population, California has 625, ranking it 40th. 39 states have it worse. If you go to https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html look for Cases and deaths by state and county, select deaths then sort by deaths per 100,000, California is way down there.

If you sort by daily avg in last 7 days deaths per 100,000, California is about #35 in ranking. ~34 states are worse off.

That said, the raw case count and ICU capacity situation is quite bad here in CA.

As for "strictest measures in place", our "lockdowns" are still nothing to compared to what Wuhan and surrounding regions endured. It's not like people can't leave their homes. And it's not like we have the state or one's city or county having been sealed off (rail, air and road links cut) like China did. The amount of travel that's been going in the US has been insane: https://www.tsa.gov/coronavirus/passenger-throughput. That hasn't been stopped and although some cities and counties have put in "quarantine" orders if you travel 150 miles outside the region, uh... it doesn't seem like it's being enforced.

I guess the anti-maskers and people who don't take things seriously don't believe it or don't care about a 9/11 or Pearl Harbor-sized number of deaths each day in the US...
 
BTW, some other contributing factors to our COVID-19 dire straits in CA are likely due to at least two major air travel hubs in CA (SFO and LAX airports) + the insane # of people traveling during the pandemic (https://www.tsa.gov/coronavirus/passenger-throughput).

And, we have lots of essential workers in various industries who can't work from home besides the usual fast food/quick serve, supermarket, convenience store, big box retailer, police, fire, etc. like farm workers (out in the fields) and meat processing plants (e.g. chicken, beef). Many of those folks have lower income and live in cramped quarters w/others and possibly in a multi-generational household.

Rep.-elect Luke Letlow dies from Covid complications days before being sworn in
Luke Letlow, a Republican elected to represent Louisiana's 5th District, was 41 years old.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/congressman-elect-luke-letlow-dies-after-covid-diagnosis-n1252520

Some folks elsewhere pointed out lots of pics of him on Facebook at campaign events where many weren't wearing masks. I didn't find those but there seem to be enough of those at https://twitter.com/LukeLetlow. A few examples below during the pandemic:
https://twitter.com/LukeLetlow/status/1323862214441345025?s=20
https://twitter.com/LukeLetlow/status/1334232903673401346?s=20
https://twitter.com/LukeLetlow/status/1330229723801251844?s=20
https://twitter.com/LukeLetlow/status/1327807559789662208?s=20
https://twitter.com/LukeLetlow/status/1326949890476355585?s=20
https://twitter.com/LukeLetlow/status/1326555385000587266?s=20
https://twitter.com/LukeLetlow/status/1325962671162871809?s=20
 
cwerdna said:
As for "strictest measures in place", our "lockdowns" are still nothing to compared to what Wuhan and surrounding regions endured. It's not like people can't leave their homes. And it's not like we have the state or one's city or county having been sealed off (rail, air and road links cut) like China did.
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To add to this and the amount of freedom we still have while under "lockdown", stay at homes/shelter in place orders or whatever, even though much of the state of CA and my county are in this state, I live about 1.2 miles by driving (~0.6 miles as the crow flies) from an expressway (50 mph speed limit) where there are random people who drive recklessly and drag race besides doing donuts in intersection.

I cannot see it since I'm too far away and there are houses in the way. Those who live near near those streets and intersections often call the police, but usually, if they respond at all, the crooks are long gone. I just heard the donuts and the gunning of the engines a few minutes ago. There isn't a specific time or day they show up, AFAIK.

If you approach the intersections in question, you'll see the donut tire marks in road.
 
Lol 35th really?
They have completely wrecked their economy with lock downs and shutdowns and people are fleeing the state like crazy to achieve 35th place. Bravo California for being the example of how not to do it.
 
LeftieBiker said:
They want excuses to ignore the anti-virus protocols, not real information. Thanks for posting that.
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I'm just following the science.
The CDC says as of a month ago that reinfections are rare. So rare they can't even do a reinfection study.
According to donkeysp article MIT can only find 30 confired reinfection cases...
What science do you speak of?
Because the science I see is very clear.
 
Oilpan4 said:
Lol 35th really?
They have completely wrecked their economy with lock downs and shutdowns and people are fleeing the state like crazy to achieve 35th place. Bravo California for being the example of how not to do it.
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Oilpan4 said:
I'm going to call it. The lockdowns and shutdowns in NY and CA are absolute spectacular failures.
They have the strictest measures in place and lead the nation in death and spread.
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If you looked at the rest of my post and rankings, in terms of deaths per 1 million population from COVID-19 vs. the other states, 39 states were worse than CA.

In terms of daily avg deaths in the last 7 days, 34 states were worse off.

This is hardly leading the nation, at least in deaths. If you again look at https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html under Cases and deaths by state and county, click on deaths then sort by per 100,000 for daily avg in last 7 days, here are some states that are doing MUCH worse than CA in that metric. CA has 0.6.

NM: 1.4
PA: 1.3
AR: 1.3
RI: 1.1
MS: 1.1
SD: 1
IL: 1
AZ: 1
In: 1
NV: 0.9 and so on... go through the at least 1.5 dozen states that follow before you reach CA with 0.6. NY is at 0.7. That's a far cry from NM with double the rate.

The govt can fix or help fix being broke. They can't fix people who have died. Problems with COVID-19 "long haulers" and people like in https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/30/health/covid-hospital-readmissions.html are going to be serious problems down the road.

We are hardly "locked down" compared to how places like China locked people down. Over at TiVoCommunity, some of us have the same attitude as https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/coronavirus.183324/page-1130#post-5237624. The US has given up on trying to get the situation under control without actually trying much, in effect saying "we're out of ideas". (shrug)

Besides the example that https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/coronavirus.183324/page-1129#post-5237596 of testing EVERYONE in a city in China, I'd heard of others. Here's another example: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/10/16/924382187/city-in-china-tests-10-million-people-after-13-covid-19-cases-are-found.
 
Someone is really good at cherry picking facts.

That is whats wrong with this country. Wear a friggen mask and follow what you are told by professional people. Not the Idiot who leads
the Coronavirus party.

cwerdna said:
Oilpan4 said:
Lol 35th really?
They have completely wrecked their economy with lock downs and shutdowns and people are fleeing the state like crazy to achieve 35th place. Bravo California for being the example of how not to do it.
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Oilpan4 said:
I'm going to call it. The lockdowns and shutdowns in NY and CA are absolute spectacular failures.
They have the strictest measures in place and lead the nation in death and spread.
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If you looked at the rest of my post and rankings, in terms of deaths per 1 million population from COVID-19 vs. the other states, 39 states were worse than CA.

In terms of daily avg deaths in the last 7 days, 34 states were worse off.

This is hardly leading the nation, at least in deaths. If you again look at https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html under Cases and deaths by state and county, click on deaths then sort by per 100,000 for daily avg in last 7 days, here are some states that are doing MUCH worse than CA in that metric. CA has 0.6.

NM: 1.4
PA: 1.3
AR: 1.3
RI: 1.1
MS: 1.1
SD: 1
IL: 1
AZ: 1
In: 1
NV: 0.9 and so on... go through the at least 1.5 dozen states that follow before you reach CA with 0.6. NY is at 0.7. That's a far cry from NM with double the rate.

The govt can fix or help fix being broke. They can't fix people who have died. Problems with COVID-19 "long haulers" and people like in https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/30/health/covid-hospital-readmissions.html are going to be serious problems down the road.

We are hardly "locked down" compared to how places like China locked people down. Over at TiVoCommunity, some of us have the same attitude as https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/coronavirus.183324/page-1130#post-5237624. The US has given up on trying to get the situation under control without actually trying much, in effect saying "we're out of ideas". (shrug)

Besides the example that https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/coronavirus.183324/page-1129#post-5237596 of testing EVERYONE in a city in China, I'd heard of others. Here's another example: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/10/16/924382187/city-in-china-tests-10-million-people-after-13-covid-19-cases-are-found.
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downeykp said:
Someone is really good at cherry picking facts.

That is whats wrong with this country. Wear a fridge mask and follow what you are told by professional people.
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LOL. https://www.redbubble.com/i/mask/Stay-Fresh-by-obinsun/26327653.9G0D8
 

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