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cwerdna said:
johnlocke said:
Unit is a revamped one. The card reader is different and a credit card reader is installed. Software is different too. Probably cost too much to upgrade the power. The Tesla plug and cable replaced the CHADEMO plug on the main body and the CHADEMO plug was moved to the left side in a bolt on holder. It's not an adaptor for the CHADEMO plug but a whole cable and plug assembly.
Have pics or Plugshare links?

Stuff like these are still CHAdeMO + CCS chargers with the CHAdeMO to Tesla adapters in the metal box on the side and an extra long cable w/Tesla connector on the end. That's why the CHAdeMO plug is off to the side and plugged in there. It's both the adapter and a "holster".
https://www.plugshare.com/location/95993
https://www.plugshare.com/location/98584
https://www.plugshare.com/location/193647

Keep in mind EVgo uses at these vendors for DC FCs w/CCS (and several different models from some): BTC Power, ABB, Signet, Delta, Efacec.
There is no CCS to Tesla adaptor. The Tesla plug and cable is one piece wired into the location previously used by the CHADEMO connector. The CHADEMO cable is now on the left side of the box instead of on the front like it used to be. The software offers 3 choices for the charging cable to use. In addition the software now offers a choice of RFID card or Credit card.
 
johnlocke said:
There is no CCS to Tesla adaptor. The Tesla plug and cable is one piece wired into the location previously used by the CHADEMO connector. The CHADEMO cable is now on the left side of the box instead of on the front like it used to be. The software offers 3 choices for the charging cable to use. In addition the software now offers a choice of RFID card or Credit card.
I never said there was a CCS to Tesla adapter at EVgo sites. I've never heard of that yet at ANY EVgo sites. When I was referring to CCS chargers I was trying to disambiguate between CHAdeMO only chargers they have vs. their CCS ones that also have CHAdeMO (from 5+ vendors). Maybe I should've instead said dual-standard as some EVgo sites have a dual standard DC FC and a CHAdeMO only one (from Nissan/Sumitomo). Example is https://www.plugshare.com/location/64437 which I have personally charged at before.

I'm still asking for pics, Plugshare links or a video of the setup you claim you've seen. Every single setup I've seen pics of or been to physically is as I described earlier. If the DC FC you describe has 3 heavy cables coming out of and there's no CHAdeMO to Tesla adapter in the metal box, that would be new and nothing I've seen before.

I was out when you replied and fortunately, I was able to drop by an EVgo setup with Tesla to CHAdeMO adapter in metal box and take a video. It's at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VmBC-Y-B0c.

You can also see another one of these setups but on ABB chargers at https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/evgo-reportedly-adding-tesla-plugs-to-their-dc-fast-chargers.178540/#post-4317096.
 
cwerdna said:
johnlocke said:
There is no CCS to Tesla adaptor. The Tesla plug and cable is one piece wired into the location previously used by the CHADEMO connector. The CHADEMO cable is now on the left side of the box instead of on the front like it used to be. The software offers 3 choices for the charging cable to use. In addition the software now offers a choice of RFID card or Credit card.
I never said there was a CCS to Tesla adapter at EVgo sites. I've never heard of that yet at ANY EVgo sites. When I was referring to CCS chargers I was trying to disambiguate between CHAdeMO only chargers they have vs. their CCS ones that also have CHAdeMO (from 5+ vendors). Maybe I should've instead said dual-standard as some EVgo sites have a dual standard DC FC and a CHAdeMO only one (from Nissan/Sumitomo). Example is https://www.plugshare.com/location/64437 which I have personally charged at before.

I'm still asking for pics, Plugshare links or a video of the setup you claim you've seen. Every single setup I've seen pics of or been to physically is as I described earlier. If the DC FC you describe has 3 heavy cables coming out of and there's no CHAdeMO to Tesla adapter in the metal box, that would be new and nothing I've seen before.

I was out when you replied and fortunately, I was able to drop by an EVgo setup with Tesla to CHAdeMO adapter in metal box and take a video. It's at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VmBC-Y-B0c.

You can also see another one of these setups but on ABB chargers at https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/evgo-reportedly-adding-tesla-plugs-to-their-dc-fast-chargers.178540/#post-4317096.
OK, that looks similar to what I saw. I didn't pay close enough attention to the cable arrangements. When I get a chance to get by there I'll look again. But my point still stands that the site has a dedicated Tesla connection that wasn't there before. It renders CHADEMO even more useless than before. EVGO is simply recognizing that there are more Tesla's on the road than any other brand of EV and they'd like a piece of that pie. Not as cheap as the Supercharger but maybe more convenient for some.
 
johnlocke said:
EVGO is simply recognizing that there are more Tesla's on the road than any other brand of EV and they'd like a piece of that pie. Not as cheap as the Supercharger but maybe more convenient for some.

I asked a Teslatonian and his response; "charging speed didn't matter if there was no need to be there. I'd rather spend an hour at a place I want to be over 10 minutes at a place I don't want to be any day."
 
johnlocke said:
OK, that looks similar to what I saw. I didn't pay close enough attention to the cable arrangements. When I get a chance to get by there I'll look again. But my point still stands that the site has a dedicated Tesla connection that wasn't there before. It renders CHADEMO even more useless than before.
As for the bolded part, I disagree. Without the CHAdeMO connector or if the CHAdeMO portion on the DC FC was busted, a Tesla w/o bringing along its own CHAdeMO adapter (or 3rd-party CCS adapter which is now prohibited per EVgo TOS) wouldn't be able to charge there at all.

It makes the CHAdeMO connector more useful than before as it widens the audience.
 
cwerdna said:
johnlocke said:
OK, that looks similar to what I saw. I didn't pay close enough attention to the cable arrangements. When I get a chance to get by there I'll look again. But my point still stands that the site has a dedicated Tesla connection that wasn't there before. It renders CHADEMO even more useless than before.
As for the bolded part, I disagree. Without the CHAdeMO connector or if the CHAdeMO portion on the DC FC was busted, a Tesla w/o bringing along its own CHAdeMO adapter (or 3rd-party CCS adapter which is now prohibited per EVgo TOS) wouldn't be able to charge there at all.

It makes the CHAdeMO connector more useful than before as it widens the audience.

Agreed. We need to get off this one car charging per station, 2 charging protocols only mentality. This isn't VHS/Beta. What EVgo has done is broadened the appeal to use their stations over others.
 
DaveinOlyWA said:
cwerdna said:
johnlocke said:
OK, that looks similar to what I saw. I didn't pay close enough attention to the cable arrangements. When I get a chance to get by there I'll look again. But my point still stands that the site has a dedicated Tesla connection that wasn't there before. It renders CHADEMO even more useless than before.
As for the bolded part, I disagree. Without the CHAdeMO connector or if the CHAdeMO portion on the DC FC was busted, a Tesla w/o bringing along its own CHAdeMO adapter (or 3rd-party CCS adapter which is now prohibited per EVgo TOS) wouldn't be able to charge there at all.

It makes the CHAdeMO connector more useful than before as it widens the audience.

Agreed. We need to get off this one car charging per station, 2 charging protocols only mentality. This isn't VHS/Beta. What EVgo has done is broadened the appeal to use their stations over others.
If a Tesla owner knows that a Tesla plug is available at an EVGO location, why would he bring a CHADEMO adaptor with him? That adaptor costs $400-$500. If Tesla plugs become common at EVGO locations, why would you spend that kind of money on the off chance that the tesla plug could be broken? He'd be far better off to buy a $600 CCS to Tesla connector that he could use with any CCS cable. EVGO's TOS anticipates Tesla plugs at most if not all EVGO locations. Besides if the CCS adaptor spoofs the comm correctly how would EVGO know that there was an adaptor there?

It may not make sense to have competing standards but that's the way it is. Tesla is not going to open up the Supercharger network to other manufacturers without significant compensation, nor are they likely to add a CCS port to their vehicles in North America. They did in Europe only because regulations forced them to. China has a separate standard as well.
 
johnlocke said:
He'd be far better off to buy a $600 CCS to Tesla connector that he could use with any CCS cable.
Tesla doesn't sell any CCS1/Combo1 to Tesla adapter for any market. The Setec CCS1 to Tesla adapter is very hit or miss with compatibility, esp. depending on which firmware version its loaded on it.
johnlocke said:
Besides if the CCS adaptor spoofs the comm correctly how would EVGO know that there was an adaptor there?
Who knows? But, if something goes wrong (e.g. car or charger is damaged) and you used an adapter not sold/produced by the automaker, EVgo could come after you and/or refuse to take responsibility since you violated their TOS. That's what folks on TMC have felt, at least w/charger damage.

Also, at least person on TMC (https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/setec-ccs-to-tesla-adapter.216599/page-21#post-5467570) has had their car sustain pretty serious damage (multi-kllobucks worth) from using an experimental firmware version on that Setec adapter.
 
johnlocke said:
But my point still stands that the site has a dedicated Tesla connection that wasn't there before.
There is now a Tesla plug, but I think Cwerdna is right that it has been implemented via a CHAdeMO to Tesla plug adapter that is hidden in the box to the side where the straight CHAdeMO plug is found.

If the station did not have CHAdeMO hardware, it would not have a Tesla plug. EVGo has deprecated the personal CHAdeMO to Tesla adapter by providing a public (albeit hidden in a box) adapter.
 
The chademo isn't deprecated, just moved to the bronze spot. As said, it must be there for the Tesla connection to work.

Watching the videos on the new NY Revel charging stop, they have a Tesla adapter at each stall. I am curious what % of Tesla Chademo adapters are sold to DC stations.
 
https://www.facebook.com/evgonetwork/posts/4230909943612580 says
We're on a roll! Our 400th Tesla connector was installed at an EVgo fast charging station this week, making it easier than ever to fast charge your Tesla! With hundreds in the works, a Tesla connector could be coming soon to a station near you! evgo.com/tesla
 
EVgo plans high-power fast chargers at Chase bank branches, some with solar
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1135533_evgo-high-power-fast-chargers-solar-chase-bank-branches
"Chase will add fast charging at 50 branch locations, potentially in California, Indiana, Illinois, New York, Oregon, and Pennsylvania, according to an EVgo press release. Chase expects all sites to be available for use by summer 2023, so installation of the full network will span about a year."
 
Received a Plugshare notification about a new site: https://www.plugshare.com/location/407269.

Supposedly has 4 CCS plugs and 4 CHAdeMO plugs.
 
Received an email from EVgo about the above site. In part, it said "While you're shopping, grabbing a bite or doing some laundry, your car can spend some time with Taliana & Diamond, two 350kW high-power chargers and Cesar & Yoltzin, two 100kW fast chargers."

EVgo's site says there are 4 100 kW CHAdeMO handles, 2 100 kW (SAE) Combo handles and 2 350 kW (SAE) Combo handles.
 
EVgo's web page says:

https://account.evgo.com/findCharger?37.2263810,-121.7744110,20z,CESAR,84580st,88610sk

DC Fast Combo
24 hours - $0.35/min

Limits
Max Charge Time 1 hour
Plugshare says:

https://www.plugshare.com/location/407269

CCS: $0.99 Flat Rate
$0.47 per kWh, 12:00AM - 7:59AM
$0.54 per kWh, 8:00AM - 3:59PM
$0.61 per kWh, 4:00PM - 8:59PM
$0.54 per kWh, 9:00PM - 11:59PM; CHAdeMO: $0.99 Flat Rate
$0.47 per kWh, 12:00AM - 7:59AM
$0.54 per kWh, 8:00AM - 3:59PM
$0.61 per kWh, 4:00PM - 8:59PM
$0.54 per kWh, 9:00PM - 11:59PM


I'm confused. What is the cost of charging at this location?
 
EVgo pricing has become very complex for the Bay Area. Select CA - Bay Area at https://www.evgo.com/tou-location-pricing/. There's also a $0.99 session fee for PAYG per https://www.evgo.com/pricing/.

Unfortunately, I think you can only get accurate pricing via their app or web site.
 
cwerdna said:
EVgo pricing has become very complex for the Bay Area. Select CA - Bay Area at https://www.evgo.com/tou-location-pricing/. There's also a $0.99 session fee for PAYG per https://www.evgo.com/pricing/.

Unfortunately, I think you can only get accurate pricing via their app or web site.

And

*$2.99 transaction fee applies for all sessions initiated by credit card

EVgo's pricing isn't consistantly listed.

https://account.evgo.com/findCharger?37.2263575,-121.7750494,19z,CESAR,84580st
 
Yikes. Didn't notice the "*$2.99 transaction fee applies for all sessions initiated by credit card" until you mentioned it. It's yet another reason for me to tell folks, DON'T USE CREDIT CARD READERS!
 
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