2023 US market Leaf

[cwerdna]

Looks like https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releas ... t-at-27800 came out today from https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/channe ... e-featured.

I don't recall what I posted last night having specs, pricing, etc. tabs but https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releas ... -press-kit has them.

[alozzy]

I meant that some intended uses include no fast charging, or only doing it rarely. I haven't DCFCd my car once, and neither has my housemate hers. Once you've realized that you have to not need QC in order to acquire a Leaf, then the importance of the Chademo network fades. I'm not sure what percentage of the driving population actually does long road trips. Of the people we know, only one would be advised not to get a Leaf for that reason.

Bottom line, there will definitely be newbies who miss the nuance of CCS vs CHADEMO and will purchase the LEAF thinking that they can DC fast charge at most public chargers. Nissan should have switched to CCS with the 2018 model year yet they are still going with CHADEMO five model years later. It's inexcusable.

[DougWantsALeaf]

You could always wait for an adapter..getting closer

https://www.amazon.co.uk/WEIXIZ-Convert ... 1f7a51b1b8#

[Triggerhappy007]

Nissan should have switched to CCS with the 2018 model year yet they are still going with CHADEMO five model years later. It's inexcusable.

No point in spending that much to develop CCS for this generation Leaf. They'd rather spend it on the next generation Leaf.

[oxothuk]

Nissan should have switched to CCS with the 2018 model year yet they are still going with CHADEMO five model years later. It's inexcusable.

No point in spending that much to develop CCS for this generation Leaf. They'd rather spend it on the next generation Leaf.

New development? Doesn't the Leaf already come with CCS is some other markets?

[OldManCan]

No point in spending that much to develop CCS for this generation Leaf. They'd rather spend it on the next generation Leaf.

New development? Doesn't the Leaf already come with CCS is some other markets?

No it doesn't

[cwerdna]

I just received Nissan marketing email "Discover the refreshed 2023 Nissan LEAF" which in part reads:

With over eight billion EV miles driven globally,1 the 2023 Nissan LEAF® has a proven track record. LEAF® brings a refreshed, more aerodynamic exterior design and standard Safety Shield® 360 technologies,2 proving now's the time to go 100% electric. Best of all, LEAF®’s EPA range of up to 212 miles3 (as shown, 2023 Nissan LEAF® SV Plus) means a weekend road trip is never out of the question.

[alozzy]

Nissan should have switched to CCS with the 2018 model year yet they are still going with CHADEMO five model years later. It's inexcusable.

No point in spending that much to develop CCS for this generation Leaf. They'd rather spend it on the next generation Leaf.

There's not going to be a next generation LEAF and I would be very surprised if the 2023 LEAF isn't the last year of production.

[cwerdna]

Nissan should have switched to CCS with the 2018 model year yet they are still going with CHADEMO five model years later. It's inexcusable.

But, it looks like '18 Leaf manufacturing began in Dec 2017 (https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releas ... ssee-today) and thus they became available in Jan 2018.

Engineering work probably had to be completed WAY before (say a year). Look at the US BEV sales charts at https://insideevs.com/news/344007/month ... al-charts/ for 2016. Bolt didn't even ship until Dec 2016. There were almost no CCS cars shipping in the US in 2016. Of those, e-Golf for the US was a CARB state compliance car. Spark EV was a CA + maybe 1 or single digit # of additional states compliance car. Gen 1 FFE couldn't be DC FCed. One had to wait for gen 2 (https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a1534 ... -charging/ from Dec 2016).

If I found the right press release, VW-owned EA (CHAdeMO saboteur) installed its first DC FCs in May 2018 (https://media.electrifyamerica.com/en-us/releases/37).

In hindsight, perhaps they should've but given what Nissan knew, planned and engineered for, how could they have known? They probably should've considered switching Leaf over to CCS partway thru gen 2 though...

[alozzy]

In hindsight, perhaps they should've but given what Nissan knew, planned and engineered for, how could they have known? They probably should've considered switching Leaf over to CCS partway thru gen 2 though...

Yes, there have now been 4 model years since the 2018 MY. They do have somewhat of an excuse though, given the challenges of product development during COVID.